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Helen, I've been on another forum for three years now. I can't do both...but I like both...so I come and go over there too. I wish I had more time. All is normal...Cooking like crazy! I wonder if there's a Christmas thread?? Blessings GG

I serve God. But do not consider myself a servant. I consider myself a friend. Just a slight misunderstanding...no problem. You consider yourself a servant,,,meaning that you serve Him. It's all words...

I never said we lose salvation because we serve God out of fear... We lose salvation when we abandon what saves us.... GOD JESUS FAITH LOVE Call it what you will.... If faith saves...... then Not having faith....causes loss of that which it originally attained...salvation. Ephesians 2:8

Agreed, except I'd say that a servant does out of fear... a Friend does out of love. A happy Christmas to you too. GG

I also don't know anyone who serves God out of fear. So why this is always brought up, I don't know. We all love our Lord and wish to please Him... THIS is obedience...out of love. It just seems like a way to get out of being obedient...I don't know...

No H, Justification is an act of God. When we repent and decide to follow God, we are justified, made a child of God, purely from HIS action. We have nothing to do with it. It is an act of God. Sanctification requires our cooperation. This is because we retain our free will when we're saved...

What happens if someone, somewhere along the walk with God, a person decides he no longer wants to serve God?

I'm sorry Nancy. I didn't mean to make an issue of it. I just didn't want people reading to think that I know A LOT of priests...I know quite a few in fact...but they are not personal friends --- that would be only 3. They don't always agree with each other, BTW.

Wait...what's "many" priests?? That would be 3. I know others too that I have contact with but they don't come over my house...

The only ritual I can think of would be baptism. Are there others? I DO agree with you.

Hi Willie, Please see my post no. 12 Also, I find that catholics rely wholly on the church, while Protestants like to read the bible for themselves and some come up with their own understandings. I've come to not know anymore which is worse.... Each has its pros and cons.

Your first paragraph is also believed by Catholics...so this cannot be the distinguishing point. I won't get into the second paragraph,,,I'll only say that the Early Church Fathers (theologians) believed it was the body and blood of Jesus...in what way I haven't yet discovered. Or, at least...

Are you talking about me??

LOL Not easy to communicate here!

Partaking.... OK I just don't equate that flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven with our need for Jesus. I feel the same about baptism, for instance. Why would it be necessary if everything is spirit?? Jesus said to do this so we should. But, really, why???? See what I mean? I don't expect...

I was being sarcastic. Lighten up. :)

It's OK,,,,apparently YOU understand everything. And you're too hung up on religion.

Guess He's not talking to me. Or, He's telling different person's different truths.

I hope you realize the verses you've posted have nothing to do with your statement. Maybe you'd care to exegete them? And BTW, when GOD says something...it's not a request. Seems like mature Christians should understand this.

No effort is required on our part? What does sanctification mean? 2 Timothy 2:15 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. Hebrews 12:14 14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without...