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I wonder if John Calvin would have come up with his ideas if it were not for Augustine. Anyway, how could anyone think such stuff. That God would pick and choose who goes to heaven and who goes to hell; that He would play games with His creation. What kind of a God do they worship?

Yes. I believe we go where our places are immediately upon death. Most theologians believe this...not all. Some believe in soul sleep. And when those souls wake up, it'll feel IMMEDIATE anyway. The priests I know who have studied theology believe we go with God upon death. I don't think...

I'm sorry bb... I've lost track of our conversation! Please expand...

I don't know about scripturally -- I don't have much scripture on this rapture thingy just yet. @Naomi25 seems to know a lot and I tend to agree with her. BUT, this I know for sure: All Christians are God's saints, set apart from the rest of the world. Some saints are already in heaven. Some...

I also am just starting to become interested in this and you're observation above is a very good one! Jesus comes WITH His saints (already in heaven) FOR His saints (on earth). Makes sense.

You mean the commentaries at the bottom of Bible pages? This is correct, of course. I, personally, don't consider commentaries part of the Bible, but I do understand your point that this would be different for some verses ,,, for instance 1 Corinthians 3 refers to purgatory for Catholics.

Is killing someone the same as self-defense? Is killing the same as murder? I believe the answer is no. Someone can kill someone but not murder them. Also, basically man does not want to use a gun...they have to be trained to even use it correctly.

I believe you're referring to the acceptance of this man. Sure. This is true. But there were so many church fathers before him... He must have been very charismatic.

Ooops. How did that happen? Sorry, you're right.

Do you think the Catholic bible is different from the protestant bible? There's only one bible. It's just that the Catholic one has 7 extra books in it. P.S. And they're all in the O.T., so no problem for the communion verses.

Well, that's one. I think that's it. In between the truth, lie many untruths.

I agree. Protestantism seems to feel this is wrong. I think it gives glory to God. I don't have a problem with this...

You won't get an argument from me! God is a God of Love.

The theology of calvinism - the nature of God as they see it - was never believed by any of the early church theologians, except for Augustine. He came up with predestination. So Calvin got the idea from him and expounded on it. So we have nothing to thank Augustine for. He invented original...

No wonder I never cared for eschatology!! If Jesus comes back in the air once and on earth once, that makes TWO times. I'll be reading up on this more...

If by rapture you mean that we will meet Jesus in "the air" on the last day, then I can agree. It's this pre-trib stuff that I don't understand. Jesus is coming back one time. If the pre-trib idea is true, He'd have to come back two times. I've just started reading about this and I can't...

As to John 6:60, some of the disciples said they were going to leave Jesus because He said something that was too difficult to understand or to accept ... it's when He said that they had to "eat" His body. This sounded weird to them, which means that they understood it in a literal sense...

I go to a monastery about 40 minutes north of my home, up in the mountains. They picked the prettiest places to live. They plant their own veggies and eat very little meat. People bring them food and money and they get along. One of them used to be a rock guitarist and he doesn't like...

Living stones as opposed to the dead stones that are used to make a church. The inquisitions were a horror and to think that they called themselves Christian! As to the Crusades, I can't agree. I think they were necessary although, being human, many mistakes were made. By Rome, I mean. This...

You used that term in your post no. 41. No answer is required, of course.