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Agreed. I NEVER quote Augustine. He made a mess and the church accepted it. :eek:

Thanks. I particularly liked paragraph two.

In the neighborhood where I lived in New York, someone did get shot and died. Usually the house was empty because of work and school for the kids. One day, during the warm weather, someone broke into the house. The mother happened to be home that day due to illness; the thieves were surprised...

Doesn't one have to be wrong? Is the Pope the final authority figure or the individual bishops in the EO?

Thanks! This is indeed correct. They just never SAY it!! Not here anyway. I have begun to hear that we are all saints. And thus, that we are holy (set apart).

You mean literally? Why?

OK. I see what you mean. We are definitely to forgive sins...but those committed against us personally. I can't forgive Joe because he stole something; only if he stole it from ME. If it's true that there is Apostolic succession, then the priests of today would be like the Apostles of Jesus'...

I understand a Christian community to be , for example, the church I attended this morning. But I think you're right. To be called a Christian Community EVERYONE would have to be Christian, or a true believer, as you called it.

?? What do YOU think is a "christian community"?

Why can we not post images anymore? They add a lot to posts and come in handy sometimes. PLEASE fix whatever was changed!! I'm sure we all miss them.

It seems to be happening all over. We need to be made poor and get to the level of China. America has changed and is no longer America. Europe has changed. The young like the idea of socialism. They think they're going to get everything for free; schooling, including college, medical care, etc...

Are you saying the CC teaches this? Not that I'm aware of...

Of course even some protestants like him. He invented predestination. He invented election. He was brilliant, but his gnostic and manechaen days must have had some influence on him. I don't care for him. And I don't understand why he was such a big influence on the church...even original...

I do agree that there is no such thing as a rapture. I've never been able to find this in the N.T. I always questioned about the "one taken, one will be left", but I've come to believe it means that those taken would be killed by the Romans. (who destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD). As far as the...

Right. Forgiveness begins in the will and then moves to the heart, usually. It's also possible for it to begin in the heart - depends on the circumstances. But in any case, it must be practiced. Psychologically we can all understand why forgiving is also good for us. But I'm sure Jesus also...

Some mighty say the first Mass was at the home of one of the disciples in The Road To Emmaus; when Jesus broke the bread. It's not very important... Even Luther believed in the real presence... I haven't read Josiah's posts, but alchemy has nothing to do with the change.

So much information! Thanks.

You're right. We're supposed to forgive everyone ... even if they don't ask for it.

It seems as though this authority was passed on. Would you care to read the following and give me your opinion? Thanks. http://www.stsophiaukrainian.cc/resources/ecfonconfession/ P.S. Augustine is post the ECF.

I don't understand what you mean. We are instructed to forgive those who sin against us and do us harm, so that God can forgive us in some way that I truly do not understand. "Forgive us our traspasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"... Why was it wrong to include this in the...