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  1. Wrangler

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I think the answer is to reinforce their Appeal to Majority fallacy of argumentation. They want only 1 small minority unorthodox Christian sect. An inconvenient truth that heterodoxy is growing in rejection of inherently contradictory dogma.
  2. Wrangler

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Since Jesus is not God, I guess we do have different saviors from an ignorant perspective, not a metaphysical perspective. The Bible identifies Jesus as the son of god, anointed by god and raised from the dead by God. The juxtapositions of God apart from Jesus is the strongest evidence that...
  3. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Yea, notice not a shred of Scriptural reference? The lesson of Original Sin is that knowledge is secondary. Faith in God through Jesus is the pathway to salvation. John 3:16. I've said many time there is no doctrinal purity (knowledge) test in Scripture. This is bad news for the 3-is-1...
  4. Wrangler

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I am VERY grateful she consistently points out error from trinitarian biased translators, yes. :D
  5. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    JW stands for Jehovah Witness. My son-in-law and his family are/were. He says it is a cult. He and half his family have been ostracized. They only see the other half when the other half disregards the "shunning" they are supposed to do to the oscracized. He has 4 grandchildren of his parents...
  6. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    A difference without a distinction. Saying I was or I am is still no claim of being God no matter how much you pretend it is.
  7. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    This will be my last post with you on this, @Aunty Jane. Can you admit this is true, yes or no? If you prayed and meditated on these verses and still feel acting as a pedant is the way for you, I’ll leave you to it. Much love, sister.
  8. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Not moving the goalposts at all. Not sure how you get that? 1st, you are not humble enough to admit Scripture does not state what Ananias qualifications were to straighten out Saul. 2nd, you rely on your intellect to ascribe you worldview - that he had qualifications listed - onto the...
  9. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    ROFLMAO. It is no more complicated than Jesus is not God. Only the father is god. That’s what the Bible says. Why is that not good enough for you?
  10. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    As are mine. I felt prompted throughout the day yesterday before I made my 2 part post.
  11. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    What Biblical qualifications are needed to correct someone? I don’t recall Ananias‘ qualifications being listed before he straightened out Saul’s sorry butt.
  12. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Yes but God is the gardener. Jesus is the son not the father. (Isaiah was not referring to the Messiah when he said, not what a man IS, but what a man will be called.) Jesus is not referred to as the father once in the NT. So, I think you know Jesus is not actually the father.
  13. Wrangler

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Posts like this have got me thinking about starting a thread, what the NWT Bible has correct? I'm not too familair with the JW translation but it is clear they got Jehovah correct. I am grateful to @Aunty Jane about many things in her posting on these boards. One is teaching me that God's name...
  14. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Nothing more than you were before you were born. What were you before you were born? It's telling the trinitarian ran out of arguments. So, he has to invoke all kinds of irrelevant Scripture, hoping something sticks. This thread is about Col 1:16. There really is no 'ultimate' answer to why...
  15. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    dude! We are not talking about expression or manifestation or form or image but the nature of a created being. If God came to earth and merely appeared as a man, it means there was no actual sacrifice unto death, only the temporary stopping of expression. It totally destroys what Jesus did for...
  16. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Thank you. We are not called to be teachers either as Aunty Jane supposes. We are called to action, to sharpen iron as Proverbs 27:17 says; to be disciple makers, to love god and others. This is the ends. The means may include us being students for time, to be teachers for a time. But the means...
  17. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Sure it is! When the subject is action, waxing philosophical sure is an impediment. When my wife wants me to put the trash out or do anything of the NOW variety, I'll tell her I be learning stuff. I'm sure she will not deem my knowedge an impediment. :D
  18. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    The teaching is merely to obey the will of God, that Jesus ended with making disciples. The teaching is not to achieve an army of theoreticians and academic pedants. And for some reason, you are equating 'teaching' with showing off your knowledge.
  19. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Another Appeal to Strawman. Thus proving again your idol is knowledge. You cannot simply agree with the statement that the goal of Christianity is NOT to be a Bible student.