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  1. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Oy vey! I'm not going to answer tit for tat your defense mechanisms to defend your idol of knowledge. Implied in this statement is you are the keeper of deeper knowledge than me. Pride this is. Your preference to show off your knowledge may be a JW failing to not meet people where they are...
  2. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Appeal to Strawman. I knew there was a risk that rather than accepting correction, you'd challenge every point. No one said only JW's Aunty Jane has an idea of what Jesus said. The 'how' has been explained to you many times. You just don't have ears to hear. The trinity consists of the Father...
  3. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No it is not! An image is an image, NOT the thing it is an image of.
  4. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Right see the difference in ambiguity Between the first and second sentence?
  5. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    As if being an image bearer makes us all God.
  6. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    My drivers license is the express image of me. My drivers license image is not me.
  7. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    There is not one single verse in Scripture that says this Pagan idea. I would get my wife a cup of coffee, Jesus would raise himself is not the same thing as I actually did get my wife a cup of coffee or Jesus actually did raise himself from the dead.
  8. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    You are moving where the NOT is to fit your dogma. A main reason he would NOT think it robbery is because he is NOT equal. This is consistent with his admission that God is greater than him. If your interpretation is correct, how do you explain - without resorting to dualism - him being...
  9. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No. My granddaughters savings bank is in the form of a baby bottle. It is NOT a baby bottle. Whenever something ‘is in the form of’ something else, it is NOT that thing. To say Jesus is ‘in the form of ‘ God is how you know he is not God. Otherwise, it would be simply written, ‘Jesus is God.’
  10. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No sir! Do you see the twisted NOT in the sentence? You've turned a DOES NOT into a DOES. The expression "Son of God" is a title not a biological relationship. Jesus is not called son of the father. He is the son of the Supreme Being, in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature. We too are...
  11. Wrangler

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    What verse says that? (Single verse please. Don't copy and paste a bunch, hoping something sticks to the wall.)
  12. Wrangler

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    I think I was guilty of this - before I was sealed by the Holy Spirit. What can one make of this? :confused:
  13. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Thanks for accurately paraphrasing my post <sarcasm>.
  14. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Part 2 of 2 Agreed. However, it is the way most people's mind works. More importantly, you have made knowledge into an idol. Knowledge is secondary! Let me give you some personal insight. I spent the better part of the 1st 15 years of my career doing hard core quantitative analysis. What I...
  15. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Part 1 of 2 This is an @Aunty Jane decree not a mandate from God. In some cases, it was simple to just drop everything and follow Jesus. Perhaps you are confusing simple with easy. Regarding your speculative questions in red, that is besides the point. Indeed, it is irrelevant to the point...
  16. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    There are many death blows to trinitarianism: The trinity is not in the Bible, not the word and not the concept. Jesus did not teach the trinity. The Apostles did not teach the trinity. The entire Bible, with the possible exception of Luke, was written by monotheist Jews. Every Epistle...
  17. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Well, on THE point of who God is and who is not God.
  18. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Not about doctrine but the Art of Persuasion. Also, Aunty Jane is a JW. I am a Biblical unitarian. I’m not sure she goes by the term unitarian.
  19. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Brevity is the soul of wit and there is little in the Bible to support the necessity of tedious dissertations on every point. God said ‘Let there be light’ and there was light. Jesus spoke even more concisely. ‘Follow me’ and people followed. I think you are confusing what you prefer...