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  1. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Agreed. Don't you think lying is primarily lying to God? The same with sinning. For instance, if I don't honor my mother and father, it puts them down but I've learned the primary one offended is God, himself.
  2. Wrangler

    Do forums increase your faith?

    Not to hijack this excellent thread, but have you seen the video on youtube, "Is Genesis History?" It has several dozen PhD scientists from a variety of disciplines. The film's climax is the recently learned 4D informational content of DNA that Darwin had no way of knowing. It is a compelling...
  3. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Right. AS IF it means something other than god is spirit and his spirit is holy. Do you ever notice that god is capitalized also? But sometimes LORD is all caps and sometimes it is not? Don't you wonder why trinitarian translators removed god's holy name, YHWH, from Scripture 7,000 times???
  4. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Yes, my attributes are masculine. How many times do we have to talk about personification in Scripture for you to get it? In proverbs wisdom is perfonified, "she." Doesn't make her a person but an attribute.
  5. Wrangler

    A friend... 3 weeks left... bone cancer.

    Is Gregory a Christian?
  6. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Again, the whole reason you have to provide so many examples is a desperate attempt to make up with quantity what each verse lacks in quality. The trinity is not in the Bible. There is not one verse that states "God the Holy Spirit." Like a recording? It's not much of a god who cannot even...
  7. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    One ploy trinitarians seem to invoke is the misuse of capitalization. The holy spirit of god does not make his spirit different from mine in that mine is not a person but his is. I doubt even you would deny god the father is a spirit and he is holy.
  8. Wrangler

    homosexuality and ethics

    Thanks! I do prefer to ignore the machinations of evil. God's plan for us is the salvation of our individual soul. Communisim/Cultural Marxism is rooted in collectivism - collective torment, collective guilt, and collective punishment. It is, therefore, an anti-Christ, anti-god ideology. Proof...
  9. Wrangler

    homosexuality and ethics

    Yet, when presented with the fact that the White Race is dwindling, you asked if that was a bad thing. This you tied to past wrong doing. When pressed, you said all extinction is bad. This begs the question of why then did you ask if it was a bad thing that the White race is headed for...
  10. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    1. Notice how it does not read 'and the Holy Spirit said?' It means another Being, who was in a place the Holy Spirit was not, said the words. This other Being is God, who alone is the Father. 2. Also, do you notice how it reads the HS descended in a form - not IS or HAS a body in the shape of...
  11. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Here is the plain truth. Jesus did not teach the trinity. Jesus did not teach us to pray to a trinitarian god. Jesus taught us to pray to god, using the intimate language of our relationship to our Creator, Father. Jesus emphasized this god, who we relate to as his children, is in heaven...
  12. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Oy vey! You are taking personification to a ridiculous extreme as trinitarians must to defend the indefensible. My spirit of friendliness may lead me to guide you, hear you, speak to you and show you things. This does not make my spirit, which is friendly, a 2nd person of the Wrangler. YHWH...
  13. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    It does not matter one little bit. Jesus is not God. It doesn't matter about human's pre-existence. The 1C does not say to have no other gods before a triune god who is plural, us. The 1C says to have no other gods (which necessarily includes the trinitarian god) before the god who is singular...
  14. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    The concept of equality you have has no rejection criteria. It's just asserted and then apply circular reasoning to scenario's that obliterate the claim. There is no person 'Holy Spirit.' Three attributes of god is that he is masculine, spirit and holy. These atttributes are pretty unequal to a...
  15. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    LOL No matter how unequal someone is, they are still equal! Gotcha!
  16. Wrangler

    Proclaiming the Word Means?

    Not an angel. Not a spirit. He was seen going bodily - and he was not the 1st man to go to heaven bodily. Why do you have to go beyond what Scripture says and speculate about such things?
  17. Wrangler

    Proclaiming the Word Means?

    Continued to evolve? The word proclaimed is that Jesus is the Messiah, period. Why are you 'evolving' beyond what Scripture says?
  18. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    No one is denying that. The point is to claim that I am older than another is NOT a claim of being a deity.
  19. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Isn't that unequal to named servants?
  20. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Because you cannot make up in quantity what you lack in quality. The incessant claim that 'all Scripture' points to the inherently contradictory doctrine does not survive scrutiny when one looks at each verse at a time. It's like you concede the verse under discussion but desperately attempt...