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  1. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Oh? Great! Please site any verse that states there is any God besides the Father. You can't and the reason is that Rich R is correct. On the one hand, we have trinitarian dogma. On the other hand, we have every Epistle stating only the Father is God. And Jesus's own words saying only the Father...
  2. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Pot calling the kettle black. This thread is not about those other verses. Why can't you understand that?
  3. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    There you go again. Rather than hijack this thread, why don't you acknowledge that Jesus is not God based on John 17:3, that he explicitly says his Father is the only true God and since he is not the Father, Jesus is not God. After that, you can start a thread on all the other verses you are...
  4. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Jesus is a man. Scripture repeatedly says he is a man. There is no verse that states he is a deity and there is no verse that confirms it. I don't know what one verse you are referring to, as I've repeatedly mentioned the Sh'ma, 1C & the verse that says all glory to God. Having said all that...
  5. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Truth is not determined by majority. Jesus said only his Father is the true God. You say Jesus is wrong?
  6. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No! That’s trinitarianism imposing its dogma onto unitarian text. There you go again, defying Christ in claiming his words glorify him in the highest possible way. Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. John 8:54 All prophets speak for God. Jesus confessed he is not speaking...
  7. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Odd response to men referring to 3 verses. Again, the trinity is not in the Bible - not the word and not the concept. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who...
  8. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Isaiah says the same thing. Doesn't make him God. This is what prophets do; speak for God. Trinitarians are the ones twisting what Scripture says. For instance, this thread is not about Revelation about John 17:3. If Jesus is not the Father, then he is not the one true God.
  9. Wrangler

    Count The Cost

    Whoever said emotion is the sole basis of our relationship with God (or anyone)? A relationship with God is not merely very important. It is of the highest importance! This is the message of the Sh'ma, the most important commandment. It is not emotion only but action. If you truly love God, you...
  10. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    LOL There are some 20,000 singular pronouns in Scripture referring to God, e.g., me, I, his, him. When God told us in Is 45:5 I am Yahweh, and there is no other. There is no other Elohim besides me. Where do you get the idea of a plural god? Or do you think God was lying when he (singular) said...
  11. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Not Jesus. God is the 1st and the last. Jesus, speaking for God, received the revelation from God. See Rev 1:1.
  12. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    The opposite is the case. Consider these explicit teachings in the Bible compared to your doctrine. All glory to God (none to his servant Jesus as Acts 17:31 says). You shall have no other gods before me (singular), especially the trinitarian (plural) god. 'For us there is only one God, the...
  13. Wrangler

    Christians, Atheists & Agnostics

    Putting that aside, what is your religious beliefs? Have you always had these beliefs? I'm interested in how your experiences formed the you of this moment.
  14. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Again, the most anti-trinitarian book in the whole Bible, John also explicitly tells us at 20:31 that everything he wrote was to prove something other than the idea that Jesus is God; namely, that Jesus is God’s Anointed. So, it is funny to see trinitarians try to twist 1:1 – and indeed, his...
  15. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No. Jesus never declared himself God. As far as the people wanting to stone him, it goes back to Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture?
  16. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    So? He's still an angel, a messenger of God, speaking on God's behalf - no matter how he says it. And this has nothing to do with - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God.
  17. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No. It is not in Scripture once. The fact that you have to again refer to a link tells the story of the support lacking. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit...
  18. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Sticking to the topic of the thread, is what I am doing. Again, there is not verse that identifies any God besides the Father. Doesn't it bother you that your doctrine is not explicitly stated in Scripture?
  19. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Right. An angel is not God. Why are you supposing that if they don't always give credit to God as the source of their words, it must mean they are God, even though they are an angel? We are not writing to you in anything resembling codes or riddles 2 Cor 1:13 (VOICE)