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There are only 2 beings or persons. God and his suffering servant. God is Spirit and his Spirit is holy. 3 With that in mind, I want you to understand that no one saying “Jesus is cursed” is operating under God’s Spirit, and no one confessing “Jesus is Lord” can do so without the Holy Spirit’s...

Demonstrably not true. The trinity is not in the Bible.

Indeed.Can you give a reason why Jews say Isaiah 9:6 does not refer to Jesus?

No. It is an undisputed fact. The Jews reject the trinity and the Jews wrote the Bible.

No. The Scripture you are referring to is the re-created things.

Because the entire Bible is written by anti-trinitarian authors! Obviously, you are transposing your trinitarian doctrine onto the text and did not read Deuteronomy 18:15-18 or watch the vid I provided.

True. However, the chosen were chosen before the world was created. It doesn't change anything about 'the world' being figurative in terms who Jesus came for. That is, unless you also subscribe to universalism?

See what you 'merely' wrote below. You abuse language my using words to mean something other than how they are defined. Oddly, then you attack the reader for 'assuming' what you meant. Words have meaning and ideas have consequences. You cannot even admit your motivation in this thread is due...

I've devotionally read CEV, NLT cover to cover. Partially read ESV & VOICE, my favorite spirit led translation. For my devotionals this year, I am reading NRSV and CJB. I never heard of or read new World Translation. The figurative language of John is amazing but it does not displace the...

Rubenstein explained the followers of the way attempted to ingratiate themselves to the Romans and blame the Jews for the crucifixion of Christ. The NT writers depict it as a Jewish conspiracy. Jesus' "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's" further divided the agenda of the Jewish rebels from those...

Yes. If you read When Jesus Became God by Rubenstein, he delves into the agenda. In short, the Christians of the east were not trinitarians. However, the Western Christians embraced mysticism from Pagan's in the areas that Christianity spread. There is a mystical "oneness" that began to permeate...

101G, you are trolling this thread. Move along.

This is wordplay to get around the opposition to works, one has to do something to be saved. Some are unwilling to do this work. Therefore, it is a misnomer to say Jesus died for all. Jesus died for those who believe in him AND are willing to do the work of receiving his salvation. Calling...

OK. So what is the strongest anti-trinitarian sentence you can write?

It’s the same thing with God lying. The verse says a Spirit came to God and proposed putting a lying Spirit to the prophets of the king. God told this spirit to proceed. So, technically God did not lie to 400 false prophets - but he authorized the use of deception.

LOL. Their mental gymnastics is so funny. They agree with everything we say BUT disagree also. Mysticism. Dualism. The only reason I reference 1 Corinthians 8:6 so often is that, unlike the Shema, it attacks directly their claim that by one God, it is to be understood as F+ S + HS.

Despite your long OP, I strongly disagree. The main reason is you are using Bible Correcting to means the exact opposite. For instance, my NLT Bible explains the original manuscripts have 3 endings to the Gospel of Mark. This note properly corrects other Bible translations that may have...

No. I’ll decide if your post answers my question. The question was to construct a stronger anti-trinitarian statement.

I’m sorry to hear that but understand. While Ephesians is my favorite NT book, I’m not sure how to contribute to this thread. Any advice?

Then universalism is correct doctrine.