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  1. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    There is too much wrong in your posts for me to go through point by point. In typical trinitarian fashion, you suppose figurative language - which can mean anything you want it to mean - supersedes explicit and literal expressions, like the son and father, by definition, are not the same...
  2. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    Sure. The CEV translation states in the OT Psalms that God alone saves and is our (ultimate) Savior. God tends to do things through others. See prophets. Perhaps you are not familiar with Christianity's end game? For Jesus to hand all things reconciled back to God (not 'the Father' but God, in...
  3. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    LORD ≠ Lord. LORD = almighty God. YHWH. Lord = many whom fidelity is owed. Lord Vader. Lord Sidious. Lord Voldemort. Lord Cornwallis. First Lord of the Admiralty. Lord David. None are God. Nathan (to Bathsheba, Solomon’s mother): 11 Do you not know the news? Adonijah (Haggith’s son) is now...
  4. Wrangler

    Are Christians Sinners?

    Of course Christians are sinners. Read about the difference between salvation and sanctification. I asked for forgiveness much, MUCH more often after I was saved for my ongoing sins.
  5. Wrangler

    HELP, I'M A UNIVERSALIST - CAN SOMEONE BRING ME INTO THE FRESH WATERS OF 'ETERNAL DAMNATIONISM'?

    You mean he talked to himself under different accounts making it seem like 2 people were having a conversation? Wow!
  6. Wrangler

    HELP, I'M A UNIVERSALIST - CAN SOMEONE BRING ME INTO THE FRESH WATERS OF 'ETERNAL DAMNATIONISM'?

    I have thought long and hard about this over many years, decades. My conclusion? God's creation includes room for our choices in shaping the details of his inevitable story. By way of comparison, I was on vacation last week visiting 3 of my 7 children and 11 of my 17 grandchildren. My...
  7. Wrangler

    HELP, I'M A UNIVERSALIST - CAN SOMEONE BRING ME INTO THE FRESH WATERS OF 'ETERNAL DAMNATIONISM'?

    That is totally untrue! More to the point, God is the ultimate or final judge. I believe the Christian perspective is why waste your time judging if you do not have authority? There are 4 Biblical authorities on Earth: Parents Husband Boss (Master) Priest Solomon was quite the judge in...
  8. Wrangler

    Christianity is Too Hard/Easy

    The paradox. Christianity is Too Hard/Easy. Too Hard. Jesus said adultery is even looking at another with lust in your heart. I doubt anyone can honestly say they never failed this standard. It's hard to make the claim that a standard where everyone fails is a loving standard. What would be an...
  9. Wrangler

    Is Telling A Lie Ever A Good Thing?

    Of course lying is, at times, a good thing! God of the Bible did it many times! 400 times in the story below, cross referenced in 2 Chronicles 18:21. And he even honored women who lied. See midwives when Moses was born. God blessed them for the lying. See Rahab, especially honored for her lie in...
  10. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    This certainly is trinitarian thinking. However, lords and almighty God are different. While there is only one God, there are many lords in the world. Lord Vader. Lord Voldemort. Lord Cornwallis. Lord David. Lord Jesus. The landlord is the one we owe fidelity to, as we do to any lord. What Paul...
  11. Wrangler

    Times of Refreshing from the Presence of the Lord - Acts 3:19

    A profound post. My church focuses on work of the saints, not restitution.
  12. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    You mean the child of Ahab, born in ~700 BC? That is who the passages refers to despite trinitarians claims to the contrary. Can you give a reason why Jews say Isaiah 9:6 does not refer to Jesus?
  13. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    I guess it does not mean anything to you. Your rebuttal is so weak you need not comment, eh? A common trinitarian debate tactic is to hold figurative verses as superior to literal verses on a given topic. In this case, Acts explicitly said that God (not 'the Father' but God in his unitarian...
  14. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    Despite the fact that statement is patently untrue, it goes to show the emotional investment of trinitarianism is the 'man is god' thesis. That is, even if true, 2 do not a trinity make.
  15. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    No, not quite. If you read the whole chapter, it is talking about renewing things through Christ. The recreation of all things reconciled through Jesus to God is NOT the same as creation by God in Genesis.
  16. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    No, there is one God, the LORD, capital. There are many lowercase, lords. While any group of people only have only one lord at a time, the Christian lord Jesus was given authority by the LORD God. Hierarchy. Equality. Not Equal. NOTE: The head of Christ is not 'the Father' but God in his...
  17. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    This one always stood out to me. Wasn't his name actually NOT Emmanuel? Also, the hyperbole that calling someone something is not the same as that person is that something. For instance, Saul and David were Anointed by God but this does not mean that God was with them, literally, right?
  18. Wrangler

    When Jesus comes back, what will you like to talk to him about for eternity?

    It never ceases to amaze me what motivates people.
  19. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    Just like the glory of God shown on the face of Moses. It did not make Moses god. More significantly, the verse does not parse God into 3's. God, in his unitarian nature, commanded the light to shine (not, 'the Father.')
  20. Wrangler

    The Case Against the Trinity

    And this is supposed to counterbalance the 5,000 times he refers to Himself in the singular, "I/My" and prophets "He/His?!" Two rational alternatives to the trinitarian desperation of finding *anything* that supports their idolatry: God was referring to Himself as the Royal 'We.' God was...