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“Pick up your cross and follow me.” - Jesus @Riven what does that sound and look like to you? If we do that, could we wind up like Jesus? The apostles did. The martyrs did. Are you willing for that to happen? I am.

Yes. That’s right.

Neither do I recognize it as Canon. What the Jewish woman and her seven sons did when being tortured and killed was commendable in the eyes of God.

@Riven my family members are Christians. They would not want me to go against Jesus and the apostles to try to save them. (2 Maccabees 7.) Going against Jesus and the apostles would end in my destruction in the lake of fire. If I’m the one that the gasoline killer has soaked with gasoline, I...

The NonChristian forums are a dangerous place for new Christians to be hanging out in.

Notice that the scenario eliminates all possibilities of me stopping it except for the one - the ONLY one - desired by the unbeliever -> God doesn’t exist; it’s all up to me. This scenario was a temptation of the devil. That wasn’t an option in the unbeliever’s scenario. @Riven has said that...

“To overcome evil with good is to trust that love is stronger than any force of darkness.” - Henri Nouwen

@Riven this is now the second time that @Debp has spoken about our conversation. The first time, she spoke to you about it. This time she has spoken to me about it. I believe it should continue. The decision to continue or not is in your hands. If you want to continue, we will. If you don’t...

@Riven is an adult. He’s said that he is enjoying our conversation. If at any point he wants to end the conversation all he needs to do is say so. I’m a pastor. If /when a new Christian says that there are times when a Christian must go against Jesus and the apostles, I have a responsibility to...

Grok did well with this.

Where is God in your scenario? Is he not able to stop it?

The atheist has done you a favor. He has shown you again that you aren’t willing to follow Jesus and the apostles in all scenarios. I’ve asked several times: what would it take to get you not to follow Jesus and the apostles? A threat to someone you love is enough to do it. You’ve placed that...

Killers burst into your home, intent on murdering you and your family. What do you do? You must kill the killers. Right? Wrong. “To confuse Hamas on October 7th, this elderly Jewish man, Shlmo Ron (85) took a seat in his living room. He didn’t play dead. He played the lonely old man card. It...

In every scenario, I follow the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles. btw, welcome to the forum.

Jesus and the apostles didn’t. Yes. No. Jesus and the apostles are human, have empathy, and aren’t selfish. Jesus and the apostles acted against evil.

It’s always wrong for a follower of Jesus to go against Jesus and the apostles. The problem is that the church got caught up in politics. That’s what I’m writing against.

@Riven think hard on this with me: It is sin not to love your enemies. Is the statement true or false? If it is true, why is it true? If it is false, why is it false?

@Riven this is a crucifix. I’m sure you must have seen one some where along the way in your life. They are common in Catholic homes; uncommon in Protestant homes. Have you spent time looking intently at a crucifix? They’re not as obscene as the actual event they portray. They’re sanitized...

What does loving your enemy sound like? It sounds like Jesus.