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As we witnessed in this thread a couple of days ago, @Wrangler rejected my recommendation to read two excellent books on the martyrs. In this post I‘m making another book recommendation for him and for all of my readers:

The task set before @Wrangler isn’t as daunting as he may think it to be. The pacifism of the early Christians / Christian churches is primarily documented in the ten volumes covering the Ante Nicene period. (The red volumes.) He probably doesn’t know that because he hasn’t read them. (If he has...

Please provide the names of the 12 people whom you are referring to. All extant writings of the Early Church Fathers are available to read online at no cost. This is what they look like in my personal library.

The reasons for the Crusades were clearly identified in the OP and have been reiterated many times, by various persons, throughout the thread. The transition from the pacifism of the first three centuries of church history to Christian participation in the wars of the nations is important. The...

12 people? I’m talking about the Early Church Fathers, not 12 people. According to you and the concealed identity church you attend, they were all armed with swords and ready to kill. In fact they had no swords and spoke loud and clear against Christian participation in war.

“Read from a book everyday - not your tablet, not your phone. Hold a book and read from it. I’m convinced a score of modern problems could be resolved with this simple yet profound act.” - Judd Burton

“There is a living God. He has spoken in the Bible. He means what He says and will do all that He has promised.” - Hudson Taylor

A short history lesson. “The oftener we are mowed down by you, the more in number we grow, the blood of Christians is seed.” (Tertullian, Apology, Chapter 50) He’s right, you know. Whatever is going on with you, killing us won’t solve your problem. I’ve prayed for you regularly since the...

“Although the first three centuries of the Christian movement were marked by an almost universal stance of pacifism, one can trace a perceptible - albeit grudging - easing of the prohibition against Christian involvement in warfare. While the bishops and leaders certainly did not advocate active...

I thought about this warship as I drove to Lexington this afternoon. Its cannons aren’t visible; the weapons of man aren’t trained on me. It’s not an intimidating scene, but it nevertheless sends a message. The real Crusaders would have unleashed their weapons on me; of that I have no doubt...

The Early Church Fathers didn’t travel on warships. If you would only take the time to read them you would find out and understand why.

“… the common desire to avoid any participation in armed conflict is evident. Virtually every bishop who wrote treatises and addressed the subject spoke passionately against any Christian partaking in the shedding of blood, innocent or otherwise. Even in the midst of armed conflict, the...

It would have been a violent end of a short life. Thank God it didn’t happen to you.