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All followers of Jesus have a responsibility to do justice, readers. ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” is his idea of doing justice. As has been shown using historical records, that was not the idea the apostles and the followers of Jesus for the first three...

“Change not your faith in changing times.” - C.H. Spurgeon But they changed their faith (and practice) in changing times.

Constantine. Man o man, did he ever introduce a pivot point in Christian history. (Christians should have walked away from it.)

The Nicene Christians (like the primitive Christians and AnteNicene Christians before them) were initially opposed to Christian participation in war. This was a serious problem for the Church in the 4th century. AI overview - “In the 4th century, Christians serving in the military, especially...

https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/jesus-on-war One of the best resources on the historical changing Christian attitude on war. This is just an excerpt. I highly recommend the book to my readers. It’s available to read online at no cost...

Even my arch-nemesis from the 4th century, Athanasius, wrote against the “You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” teaching of Wrangler - “Christians, instead of arming themselves with swords, extend their hands in prayer.”...

“You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” is not the biblical model for making disciples.

Dresden. Vonnegut was there. At least 25,000 civilians killed - how many of them were followers of Jesus? All? None? How about if there was only one? “Because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers …” Jesus was flying the planes and was killed when the bombs he dropped exploded on...

So the answer, apparently, is no. My advice to followers of Jesus who sought my advice was that they should not put themselves in that circumstance. The early church taught that followers of Jesus were not to take up arms against their enemies. Wrangler attempts to get around that by saying...

He fell off a ladder while painting the church steeple at the Baptist Church* he attended. (I could try to look for his obituary if it matters.) * I located his obituary. I was mistaken about his denomination affiliation. He might have been painting at a Baptist Church but he was a Lutheran.

But the Crusades! Why aren’t you persuaded by the crusaders? Did they love their enemies?

I would have killed Christians and non-Christians if I had obeyed the order. Followers of Jesus ordered to kill followers of Jesus by the government should “obey God rather than men.”

They were evil @Lambano. They were going to enrich themselves and their friends, then point the finger at me when the sickness and deaths began to surface a few years later. My supervisor’s, supervisor’s, supervisor asked me how many years it would take for that to happen. When I told him, he...

Yes, but the argument is ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” The apostles weren’t “armed, ready to kill” and neither were the earliest Christians - which makes them, by Wrangler’s requirement for being a follower of Jesus - not followers of Jesus.

Would you say then that the apostles and the earliest Christians up until 313 - though armed, ready to kill - outsourced their violence?

That’s right.

Yes. ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” Why didn’t use his weapons and do it himself?

The government is obligated to protect the innocent lives of its citizens. Would you kill followers of Jesus if the government ordered you to?