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I’m a first century Christian living in the twenty-first century. What worship meant then is what worship means now to me.

I don’t agree that the concept / idea of what the Nicene Creed affirms were held from the beginning.

Jesus is the Messianic King. David wasn’t the Messianic King but had I lived when he did I would have worshipped both he and God (1 Chronicles 29:20). No.

You’ve defined orthodoxy as afiirmation of the Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed didn’t exist at the time Tertuallian became a Montanist. P.S. His theology concerning the nature of God wasn’t affected by his becoming a Montanist. What he believed about the nature of God before he became a...

If the Apostles didn’t “complete“ them it is because they didn’t hold them. That is Father Fortman’s point. He uses the term “elemental trinitarianism” to describe their writings -> what they wrote doesn’t contain the doctrine but did contain the material which others could (and gradually over...

I’ve been clear from the beginning that I’m not a Nicene Christian. I don’t agree with the Nicene Creed and cannot affirm it. I picked the Apostles’ Creed because it isn’t a trinitarian creed and can be discussed without violating board policy. The other creeds are trinitarian and can’t be...

Yes.

“Be you to others kind and true, As you’d have others be to you; And neither do nor say to men Whate’re you would nit take again.” - Isaac Watts

* They’re used to it. DST - Druid Saving Time - has always been a labor intensive job. *

* I’m feeling it. *

* I’d be hosed if I did this. I think I’d probably be better off just leaving my clock unchanged for now, show up an hour early and wait outside in the car. *

* The local Health Department is going to take a dim view on this. *

What is my need? My need is to abide by the current board policy. I “cherry picked” the Apostles’ Creed because I believe it is the only post-biblical creed that we can discuss and remain in compliance with the policy. I still believe that to be the case but I’m beginning to think that you may not.

Does the Apostles’ Creed suggest to others the idea that God interacted miraculously / supernaturally with the virgin to breed a God? It doesn’t to me.

It isn’t debated - hotly or otherwise - by me. I understand and appreciate your point that others might see the post and feel that they must challenge it. It won’t change my mind and what I wrote won’t change theirs. If someone does, I‘ll ignore it. If several do, I’ll ask the moderators to...