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The idea to clarify? From a scribe copying what he was given. An interesting suggestion put forth by some: it may have come later by John himself.

Does it matter? Would those who were there at the time when it happened know or not know what the man was talking about? I think it was added later for the benefit of those who weren’t there at the time that it happened so that they / we would understand what the man was talking about.

We had professors with diverse theological backgrounds. (They weren’t all from the same denomination. I was the same age or older than a number of them.) I listened to their lectures and, for the most part, found them to be reasonable. But I also watched as young students swallowed everything...

I think verse 7 makes sense without verse 4 and verse 4 provides helpful background information. When I preach on this chapter I always include it, sometimes commenting on the textual issue but oftentimes not. What I find interesting is that scribes flagged it long ago as a caution to those who...

I was a student too - the oldest student - at the time of the incident. I’ve wondered (since the incident happened, not at the time that it happened) why he came to me for help. (We weren’t particularly close. I was married, he was single. I was working as a civil engineer, 40-50 hours per week...

Done with the right attitude, telling the student to depend on God is a way to help him. I don’t think it should be thought of as an “instead of” alternative to restoring his confidence in the reliability of the Bible.

“The Bible is the book of my life. It’s the book I live with, the book I live by, the book I want to die by.” - N.T. Wright

* Well … I’m speechless. *

* I’m going to return my cart (which I always do) and a cart that someone else didn’t the next time I go shopping. *

It’s been a long time now since the incident happened. In my mind, I recall that he was Baptist, a fundamentalist. [I mentioned earlier in the thread that I was raised KJVO. The Baptist church I attended (in the 60’s and 70’s) wouldn’t have condoned the use of the NIV. In fact, my pastor would...

I think they do too.

Thanks for elaborating. I didn’t take that approach with him and I don’t know if it would have helped him or not. It might have.

Thanks. I was just curious. They play no role in my own salvation story.

I’m not following what you’re saying. He was trying to evangelize a Muslim. The Muslim pointed out that John 5:4 isn’t in the NIV. The student didn’t know that, saw for the first time that the NIV skips from verse 3 directly to verse 5, causing him to (briefly) lose confidence in the reliability...

What about the post-biblical creeds? Did they / do they play any role in your personal conversion story?

Thanks. I‘m wondering why the people @GodsGrace is telling us about haven’t done that.

I’m not sure that would have helped him deal with the verse not being in the NIV he was using.