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Thanks. This thread was started for the benefit of people like yourself in mind who don’t know what they would do. I hadn’t thought about it prior to finding myself in that position twenty years ago. I handled it - successfully, I’m happy to report - but I might have handled it better, or in a...

* A lot to like about a horse that won’t quit on you after initially failing. *

The Christian Church has existed since a Jew founded it. It began as a sect of and within Judaism. The Roman Catholic Church did not begin as a sect of and within Judaism. Theodosius, not Constantine, is the emperor who established what we now call orthodoxy as the official and only Christian...

The track with this one is how one would go about helping a Christian who began questioning the reliability of the Bible after being confronted by a Muslim on John 5:4. What would you do if one day you found yourself in the situation of needing to help such a person?

Yes. Yes. As I recall all these years later, he was a Baptist. I think it is fair of me to say that the answer to your question would be that he was brought up in the manner you described.

An example from Ignatius’ Epitle to the Philadelphians, Chapter 3. Short version. ”Keep yourselves from those evil plants which Jesus Christ does not tend, because they are not the planting of the Father. Not that I have found any division among you, but exceeding purity. For as many as are of...

“The excellency of a sermon lies in the excellency of Christ, not in the wit and eloquence of the preacher.” - John Flavel

It wont go further back than Schaff does.

Will you read them after I compare post #315 with The Ante Nicene Church Fathers that I’m quoting from?

I don’t know, but I will.

I provided a link for your convenience (and for the convenience of others.) Check the Table of Contents. It doesn’t cover 2000 years because it was written and published in the 19th century.

That’s fine. In the meantime, I will post more examples from the long and short versions of his letters.

You must not have read his book. The Catholic Church is in there. He has some amazing quotes from those whom you claim as your own.

Yes, but there is no need for you to wait for me to do that. I am posting many excerpts from the Epistles of Ignatius which support my assertion that his letters have been tampered with.

Many books have been written on the history of the Church. I consider Philip Schaff’s book The History Of The Christian Church to be essential reading. It’s available to read at no cost on line. https://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/About.htm

Another example from Ignatius’ Epistle to the Magnesians. This from Chapter 3. Short version. ”Now it becomes you also not to treat your bishop too familiarly on account of his youth, but to yield him all reverence, having respect to the power of God the Father, as I have known even holy...

Is there any member of the forum who will read the long version and short version of the letter quoted in the post and come forward to say that the letter hasn’t been tampered with by someone?