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  1. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    The difference in the long version and the short version is obvious. Someone is altering his letters.
  2. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    In this post I will quote the long and short versions of Igantius’ Epistle to the Magnesians, Chapter 14. Short version. ”Knowing as I do that ye are full of all good, I have but briefly exhorted you in the love of Jesus Christ, Be mindful of me in your prayers, that I may attain to God; and...
  3. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    Have you compared Ignatius’ Epistle to the Smyrnaens? (See post #326.) If not, please do and let me know. Is it not obvious that there is a great difference between the long and short versions of that letter?
  4. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    Thanks. I see now what the problem is. You are posting from a link that I provided to a different document than the document that I’m reading from. As I said in the post that I provided the link in, I haven’t compared that document with The Ante Nicene Church Fathers book that I’m reading from.
  5. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    Since I have it open, I’ll quote the long and short versions of the Epistle to the Smyrnians, Chapter 3, in this post. The short version. ”For I know that after His resurrection also He was still possessed of flesh, and I believe that He is so now. When, for instance, He came to those who were...
  6. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    I don’t know what you’re doing. Whatever it is, it isn’t what I’m looking at.
  7. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    Now I’m looking at Ignatius’ Epistle to the Smyrnaens. Same thing. A longer version and a shorter version.
  8. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    I’m looking at The Ante Nicene Fathers, Volume 1. You should take a look at it too if you have access to it.
  9. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    I’m looking at it right now in The Ante Nicene Fathers and there are major differences. The lengths / gaps are quite pronounced and obvious.
  10. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    The long version and the short version don’t say the same thing. There are major differences between them. If they were identical there would be no long version and short version. There would just be the letter. Much has been added to the long version. Will you make the same assertion about...
  11. Matthias

    The happy thread

    * I checked the cat’s math. He’s right. *
  12. Matthias

    The happy thread

    * Uh Oh. *
  13. Matthias

    The happy thread

  14. Matthias

    The happy thread

  15. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    In some paragraphs it is minor, in other paragraphs it is major. There are also a number of epistles of Ignatius that are identified as spurious contained in The Ante-Nicene Fathers. That in no way disparages Ignatius but it does point to forgeries by someone.
  16. Matthias

    The happy thread

  17. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    Church history documents the presence of many different forms of Christianity which existed prior to the establishment of orthodoxy in the fourth century. The post-biblical development of doctrine is very well known and documented. Roman Catholic scholars are particularly good in this area...
  18. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    I haven’t compared this with the long and short version of the letter as it is translated / presented in The Ante-Nicene Fathers, edited by Roberts and Donaldson but here is a link to the long and short versions @RedFan...
  19. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    Yes, of course. Do you own or have access to a copy of the Ante-Nicene Fathers? The side by side comparison of the long and short version of the Epistle to Polycarp shows / documents which words were not present in the short version, added by someone in the longer version.
  20. Matthias

    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    See his letters in Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 1, edited by Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson. An excellent example is found in his Epistle to Polycarp. The short version and Long version is set side by side om pages 93 - 96.