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Would you list the names of the rabbis whom you agree with? I’m interested in reading them.

If messiah isn’t included in what Isaiah wrote about Israel because the messiah hadn’t come yet, would you say that Isaiah is also not talking about the people of Israel who had not come yet?

Have you discussed it with Muslims?

It doesn’t persuade Jews who believe Jesus is the messiah.

Then why is Isaiah not also speaking about the messiah when he is speaking about Israel?

Why don’t you believe it?

Is the messiah part of Israel?

When did that happen? What caused it to happen? Are you concerned that it will lead you back into schizophrenia?

You’re showing him your / Christian interpretation of the text. He believes you have the actors wrong.

Have you read the Quran?

The messiah does. Your story and his are both in the New Testament.

The issue is that @Eliyahu613 doesn’t believe Isaiah is even speaking about the messiah in this passage. Bolding the text won’t cause him to change his mind. The text is speaking about Israel corporately being despised and rejected, is his argument. In other words, ”He” isn’t the messiah. “He”...

You’re relying on the NT witness, as am I. @Eliyahu613 isn’t. You believe Philip was spoken directly to by the angel and I believe Philip was spoken directly to by the angel. We accept the NT witness. He doesn’t accept the NT witness. I suppose he might say something like Philip can assert...

Philip is a Jew who believed Isaiah was speaking prophetically about the messiah (and that Jesus of Nazareth is the messiah.) @Eliyahu613 is a Jew who doesn’t believe Philip, and the reason he doesn’t believe him is because he doesn’t believe Isaiah is even speaking about the messiah to begin...

I worship both God and the messianic king.

An anti-messiah figure, a false messiah, will be coming onto the world stage. Do you believe it? The people worshipped both God and the king (1 Chronicles 29:20). The carpenter you’re alluding to was born a king.

You haven’t proved the NT witness is false. All you’ve done is rejected it.

No one should believe something they aren’t persuaded is true. ”but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the messiah, the son of God; and that believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:31) I’m fully persuaded that the witness is true. Everyone must decide...