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On the last discussion forum I was on before coming to this one, the most prominent / outspoken trinitarian insisted that “God was on a suicide mission and suffered eternal destruction.” Trinitarians didn’t object and the forum owner (himself a trinitarian) promoted him to a moderator position.

See Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book 2 … one of the last chapters of the book. Just curious. Why does the translation you quoted, whichever translation it is, not capitalize “him,” “he,” and “his”? The one God - Yahweh - didn’t kill himself, and no one killed Yahweh.

Those who believe Jesus is the Father would then, apparently, believe Jesus killed himself. Those who believe Jesus is not the Father but believe the Father killed Jesus would then, apparently, believe the Father killed his Son. Trinitarians who believe the Trinity is one self would then...

The beliefs of the Jews about Jesus weren’t wrong. The beliefs of the majority of the Jews about Jesus was wrong. (To say nothing about the beliefs of the Gentiles about Jesus.)

1. You / we should have thought about that before you / we committed sin. 2. Being born in Israel doesn’t make a person a Jew. If you’re going to blame all Jews for the killing of Jesus then you’re going to have to blame Jesus, the disciples, the apostles, the earliest Christians. If you’re...

We all killed Jesus (himself a Jew) so our beliefs are flawed to say the least. I’ve met people who believe Jesus is an Archangel but I’ve never met anyone who believed Jesus is literally Moses.

Thanks. I did. (I had put them somewhere I never do. I won’t be doing that again anytime soon.)

I never met Dankenbring but I’ve read some of his writings and briefly corresponded with him. That would have been sometime in the late ‘80s (before he left the Worldwide Church of God) or early ‘90s (after he founded a ministry of his own - Triumph, or something like that.) I didn’t think you...

I come to you in the name of the Lord. Am I the Lord?

It’s also Protestant. A carryover.

The one God, in the Bible, is the God of Israel; the God of Jerusalem.

We are told by the church, from the 4th century on - A.D. 381 being the key date - that God is the Trinity. Why are we not told this in scripture? Why is God never called the Trinity in the Bible?

“God-man” (Gk. theanthropos). No one in scripture - and, therefore, absolutely not God himself - ever refers to Jesus as “a god-man”. Why then does it even occur in our vocabulary? What is it’s origin? It’s origin is Origen.

In Jewish monotheism, the Son of God is God and yet is not God. The Son of God is the new Moses.

There is a huge “benefit“ in believing that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God. Those who don’t will have their place in the second resurrection.

Most trinitarians will say, when asked, that God didn’t die. Someone killed God (i.e. Jesus) but God didn’t die. Off the charts? What charts? Who’s charts? Not off the trinitarian charts.

God had to become his creation?

Are you identifying Jesus as Michael the Archangel? Are you familiar with, or in some way connected with, William F. Dankenbring?

From my perspective: None, as long as we remain within the constraints of Jewish monotheism. Once we venture outside of that sphere of influence - going into the sphere and influence of Greek philosophy - we change the identity of the one God.

If Sergio Leone had made a movie about unitarianism vs. trinitarianism …