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“Titles provide one way of speaking about Jesus’ identity. Another way to speak of his being: Was Jesus God? Was he human? Was he both? The church followed this way as it struggled with doctrinal controversies, especially in the fourth and fifth centuries, culminating in the Nicene Creed and the...

Moses didn’t make himself God. The one God, his God, made Moses God.

Jesus didn’t make himself God. The one God, his God, made Jesus God.

That’s the reason his enemies didn’t understand him. “Don’t ever side with the enemies of Jesus Christ.” - one of my trinitarian professors The enemies of Jesus were not right. The enemies of Jesus were wrong.

“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It‘s because you cannot hear my word.” (John 8:43)

Do you agree with his enemies? Do you say as they did, that Jesus, a man, made himself God?

What detriment, if any, does it produce “to make Jesus God“?

“The problem of the Trinity was a practical interest of the Church as the congregation of believers. It began with the overwhelming conviction, confirmed by Scripture, that the presence of Christ in the Church is like that of the Father Himself. The early Christians prayed to Christ as they...

Your words should be especially encouraging to the owner, as you speak from personal experience in such matters (which the owner of this board may not be aware of, but I am.) You would be a very good person to consult with, if the owner was so inclined.

For those who appreciate irony: To get to trinitarianism the reader not only has to go through Judaism (which isn’t trinitarian) and Jesus (who isn’t a trinitarian) but also through Ante Nicene Church Fathers (who weren’t trinitarian). It’s easy to be trinitarian; it’s hard to be trinitarian...

Unitarianism vs. trinitarianism. Virtually everyone understands that. (We could toss binitarianism into that conversation too; perhaps in another thread.) Unitarianism vs. unitarianism. Most people, having little interest in trinitarian history, and less still in unitarian history, are woefully...

Is Jesus himself identified as God in scripture? Unitarians typically insist that he isn’t. I disagree with them. In that some things which are said about God himself I see are also said about Jesus himself, I acknowledge that Jesus himself is identified in some sense as God in scripture. How...

It doesn’t matter to them. The question is why, and the answer varies from person to person. I was raised trinitarian. It didn’t matter to me - in fact, it didn’t even occur to me - until I attended a Bible study given by my trinitarian pastor which touched ever so lightly on the history of the...

I was thinking this evening about Jesus being our example, the pioneer of our faith. The man (Gk. anthropos; biblical) demonstrated his faith in my God. Would the trinitarians say that the God-man (Gk. theanthropos; not biblical, post-biblical) demonstrated faith in theirs (i.e. the Trinity)?

”Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before...

I’ve been in your shoes. Sometimes I’ve answered as you did. Sometimes I’ve answered differently. And sometimes I haven’t bothered to answer at all. Generally speaking, my response depends on how well I know the person I’m dealing with.

“...it’s own conception of the Trinity was looked upon by the Fathers themselves as a combination of Jewish monotheism and pagan polytheism, except that to them this combination was a good combination; in fact, it was to them an ideal combination of what is best in Jewish monotheism and of what...

If I had seen it I would have come to your defense. (Maybe you would prefer that I not.) What was your reply to that person?

My hope is that others will follow your example. You’ve done us all a good service by providing them. Now it’s up to individuals to decide for themselves whether or not to read them and then what to with the information. It falls outside the scope of this thread but have you considered a...

You didn’t respond when I asked if you had read the same sources entry for “Trinitarianism”. I don’t know why, and don’t know why you would or might answer this question when you didn’t answer that question, but here it is: Have you read it? Thank you for posting both of them for consideration...