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If you’re interested in learning more @Ben Abraham would be a good member of the forum to speak with. He represents the larger (the trinitarian) branch. Jesus has inaugurated it. I would have liked to have discussed it with Uri Marcus, but lunch happened before I had the opportunity. I had...

Yes. A Messianic Jew would tell us that there are 613 commandments in the Hebrew Bible. To stop at 10 would be unthinkable to a Messianic Jew. Those are very good questions. Thank you for asking me about them.

A personal story. One day I sat down to have lunch with a Messianic Jew (Uri Marcus, a leader in the unitarian branch) at a theological conference. There were many food choices but one of the choices was pork. A platter containing a variety of meats was placed on the table we were sitting at...

Listen to what the trinitarians say to us, to non-trinitarians - it‘s something to be believed, not something to be understood.

There are two branches in Messianic Judaism: a trinitarian branch (which is the larger branch) and a unitarian branch (which is the smaller branch). The difference between them in that regard is obvious. My connection with them would be with the smaller branch. What both branches have in common...

It’s unavoidable. For them not to do so would be to acknowledge that trinitarianism isn’t - to use the phrasing of Dr. Harold O.J. Brown - “the legitimate daughter of Judaism”. One of trinitarianisms most famous 4th century theologians - virtually unknown by the average Protestant - is Basil...

No, I don’t consider myself to be a Messianic Jew. I’m a Christian whose monotheism is the monotheism of the Jews (i.e. the one God is the Father alone.) A brief statement of my understanding of Jesus: He is a supernaturally begotten human person, the Messiah, the Son of the one God. If you...

The monotheism of trinitarianism is opposed to the monotheism of the Messiah.

Yes. But trinitarianism destroys the Jewish monotheism of Jesus. It isn’t the same monotheism.

“It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity, as a doctrine, formed no part of the original message. St. Paul did not know it, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on...

My primary acceptance / rejection criteria is Jesus. If Jesus himself is a trinitarian then accept it. If not then reject it. If Jesus himself is a binitarian then accept it. If not then reject it. If Jesus himself is a unitarian then accept it. If not then reject it. Follow Jesus. Have no...

His God still isn’t your deity.

Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. You believe in a deity which he doesn’t.

The first trinitarians appear on the stage of Church history in the 4th century. There are no trinitarians in the Bible. No one living in biblical times believed in the Trinity. Why does anyone want to be a trinitarian when no one living in biblical times was? Trinitarianism is a new...

No. The disciples believed that Jesus was supernaturally begotten by their God and his God / conceived in the womb of his mother as described in the birth narratives in Matthew 1 and Luke 1.

I intentionally prefaced my question by saying “If I’ve understood you correctly”. Your response causes me to think that I haven’t. Do you find any trinitarians anywhere in the Bible?

Why do you think that? I’m asking because it’s been on my mind all evening. If I’ve understood you correctly, you believe the apostles were trinitarians and the Church c. A.D. 30 is trinitarian. Setting post-biblical Church history (2nd century and following) aside for a moment, if the Church...

Are you certain that it is to the OP? If it is, what does that say about her motive?

After all of the things you’ve said to JW’s and about JW’s, why are you asking?

Hi TedT. Good to see you again. We’ve crossed paths on several forums. Welcome to this one.