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God’s word is wisdom.

Wisdom, not the Son, is what existed with the Father before the Father, not the Son, created the heavens and the earth.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it not a single creature was made. In it was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shone in darkness; but the darkness...

Jesus is what Wisdom became when it, Wisdom, became flesh. Jesus is the wisdom of God expressed in a human person.

The Father is the creator.

“In the beginning was Wisdom, and Wisdom was with God, and Wisdom was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it was nothing made. What was made, had life in it, and this life was the light of men; and this light shineth in darkness, and the darkness...

No.

“Before the Creation of the World, Reason did exist, for Reason was then in God; indeed was God himself, it not being possible for God to be without it. Reason, I say, did exist in God before the Creation of the World, every portion of which was created with the greatest Reason; nor can any...

I’m a teacher, a college professor, retired. I’ll try many different ways to say the same thing in hope that one of those ways will click in your mind.

I’ve made no amended statement. You might want to search my posts. If you do you will find me saying the saying things, as many ways as I can think to express them differently, over, and over and over again. No. I’m saying that John is speaking generally in the prologue and specifically in v...

“For God so loved the world …” (John 3:16) “For God is love …” (1 John 4:16) “The Love Thought was the beginning. In the very beginning it was with the Father of Love and it was the Father of Love. All things were made by the Love Thought and without it was not made anything that was made. In...

No. John is speaking in the prologue about everything which existed (preexisted) in the Father’s logos.

Have you ever thought about why John’s prologue in the Geneva Bible (and many others like it) is translated the way that it is? Do you think it causes trouble for unitarians? Do you think it causes trouble for trinitarians? Do you think it causes trouble for binitarians?

@RLT63 have you ever heard me speak about notional (also known in theology as “ideal”) preexistence before?

You’re thinking like a trinitarian, she’s thinking like a binitarian and John is thinking like a Jewish monotheist.

@RLT63 would you post a translation, of your choosing, of Job 10:13 for us to look at?

Jesus preexisted only in the mind of his God. A point in time came when his God brought him into existence.

It’s documented in Church history. I did too when I was a trinitarian. John and Jesus have the same God.

It took the Church until the 4th century to make the data confess the Trinity.

It’s not strange in Jewish thought. What God has planned is with him, in his mind. When God moves what was only in his mind into actual existence - that’s creation. “God spoke …” and it came into being. What he spoke already existed in his mind, but only in his mind, before he brought it into...