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I believe the ancient faith of the Messiah.

I’m praying for you.

I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on something I read which was posted on the forum today. The Father did not free the Israelites from their bondage in Egypt. It was the God of Israel who freed them. Who created the heaven, and the earth. Who was sent by the Father and the Spirit who...

I recently quoted another trinitarian scholar, Gordon Wenham, on Genesis 1:26 in Word Biblical Commentary: “Christians have traditionally seen this verse as adumbrating* the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to the original author.” A couple of...

I think you’ll find it interesting. Much of it you should be able to agree with; some of it you won’t. Take from it what you can in good conscience. I think it’s a fascinating subject and deserving of more discussion than it typically receives. I suspect that’s because our knowledge of it is so...

No. I’m simply saying that God consulted with the angelic court before he acted. Yes. No. I’m asserting that God made an announcement to the angelic court. The court played a role in God’s decision to act; a role which didn’t call upon them to be co-creators. No. They weren’t just there...

I started reading this Roman Catholic article on the heavenly court this afternoon and finished it this evening. For those interested, it gives a nice overview of the subject. The Court of God | EWTN

God created alone, by himself. He wasn’t talking to a co-creator. The angels he spoke to before he created the heavens and the earth - the angelic court - are also created in the image of God. I alluded to a particular trinitarian scholar I recently quoted on the forum who makes this point. He...

It is simple, until we move away from Jewish monotheism. I’ll be around. Call again, any time you want to. I’ll leave the porch light on for you.

That’s fine. I have more to say about it, but I’ll save it for another time.

Don’t worry about it. I’ve been dealing with a foolish person today. You can see it for yourself, if you want to waste time doing it. But remember this, you knocked on my door. I didn’t come looking for you.

The angels weren’t co-creators, God spoke with them before he created the heavens and the earth, and God didn’t have a co-creator when he created the heavens and the earth, alone, by himself. When we get tired of circling, the wise thing to do is stop and rest. Tomorrow’s another day.

No problem, but watch out for the fools who say it is.

A nit picking question : You capitalized “He.” Why didn’t you capitalize “us”? I don’t think it changed your position. I’m just curious.

I’m aware that the JWs believe God had a co-creator (Michael the Archangel) when he created the heavens and the earth. Now I’m hearing trinitarians say that God didn’t create the heavens and the earth, alone, by Himself; that God Himself had a co-creator - Himself. And only two of Himself...

He? That’s a singular personal pronoun. It doesn’t fit your scenario. “He” is one person. More apropos: Why did They say, Let us create …? But then that’s not what Moses wrote, is it? I posted a video clip from Michael Brown’s trinitarian radio call-program, Line of Fire. If you haven’t seen...

In the trinitarian circles you mentioned in post #147, he wasn’t involved in the “us” conversation.

In regard to the Genesis creation event, God doesn’t have a co-creator. God is the sole creator, in Jewish monotheism. Elohim - always plural in form, no exceptions - is always singular in meaning, no exceptions - when used in reference to the creator. God (elohim - plural in form, singular...

No. I said that God created alone, by himself, without the agency of anyone else. If nothing else, that should suffice to demonstrate that I don’t agree with the JWs. That poor Holy Spirit person. He can’t get no respect.