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“Agent (Heb.Shaliah: The main point point of the Jewish law of agency is expressed in the dictum, ‘a person’s agent is regarded as the person himself.” What I’m saying is that Jesus is God figuratively, not literally.

See Jews For Jesus and Jewish mysticism. The Jew we should look to, I think you’ll agree, is Jesus. His God isn’t the Trinity. If for some reason every Jew on the planet were to reject the Jewish unitary monotheism of their heritage, Jesus would still be a Jewish unitary monotheist, and his...

I’ve commented elsewhere in the thread that elohim is always plural in form but either singular or plural in meaning, depending on the context. When it is singular in meaning, the Greek equivalent is theos; the English equivalent is God or god. When it is plural in meaning, the Greek equivalent...

What translation are you using for Exodus 7:1?

The Jewish Law of Agency. http://www.christianmonotheism.com/media/text/Raymond%20Essoe%20--%20Shaliah.pdf

I’m just about to finish reading Maurice Casey’s book, From Jewish Prophet To Gentile God. Several times he has commented “removal of the restraining factor of Jewish monotheism is all we need” to make the shift from Jewish monotheism to trinitary monotheism, and this gradually happened as the...

Not so. Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah. I’m waiting for him to come back.

Jesus didn’t make himself out to be God. God made Jesus God, in a secondary sense. God did the same thing with Moses. (See Exodus 7:1.)

You’ve probably heard me say that I believe “Jesus isn’t God and Jesus is God.” I mentioned in another conversation in this thread that that belief is incompatible with trinitarianism but not incompatible with Jewish unitary monotheism. Jesus is rarely but occasionally referred to as elohim /...

“...it’s own conception of the Trinity was looked upon by the Fathers themselves as a combination of Jewish monotheism and pagan polytheism, except that to them this combination was a good combination; in fact, it was to them an ideal combination of what is best in Jewish monotheism and of what...

Yes. Yes. The God of Jesus doesn’t have blood. You need to remember that I believe Jesus is a human person. It was his shed blood, not his God’s, that purchased the Church. I’m a Jewish unitary monotheist who believes Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah.

Jesus himself isn’t a trinitarian. His God is only one person, the Father. Is that something we can agree on?

I had that same thought early on. I’m satisfied that I didn’t. There is only one God, and I believe he is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, the apostles, etc.

I was preconditioned to see the Trinity in scripture.

Thanks. As I’ve commented elsewhere, I think every passage of scripture which bears on the subject of God must align with what Jesus himself believed / believes. I didn’t think like that when I was a trinitarian.

I understand. I used to also, but I don’t anymore. Why do you think that is?

Do you believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus?

From Genesis to Revelation, right? (That’s what I would have said when I was a trinitarian.)

Yes, from Church history - the Council of Chalcedon (451). Most Protestant denominations also accept what was decided there. You used a phrase which caught my attention - “biblical trinitarianism”. I don’t hear it often but when I do it is invariably used by Protestants. Edmund Fortman, a...

Thank you. That was very helpful. I have a better understanding of where you’re coming from now. In the classroom setting I used an acronym : TAHOT Trinitarians Against Historical Orthodox Trinitarianism