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You couldn't be more wrong. Jesus was talking to and about the Jews when He spoke of the first fold. His other fold is the Gentiles. Jesus said "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24). That's the first fold. His other fold, the Gentiles, would have the...

We are addressing it according to what scripture says about Israel. That is the right way to do it. You are denying the New Testament scriptures which speak of an Israel that is spiritual in nature and you're trying to call it metaphorical as if it doesn't actually exist. You are very ignorant...

We should be cautious of false teachings regarding both physical and spiritual realities. You don't seem to want to even talk about spiritual realities.

It doesn't exist. There is "one body" of Christ consisting of all believers past and present and all future believers will be part of the "one body", also.

Revelation 11:11-13 is not part of the second woe. The second woe correlates with the sixth trumpet which is described in Revelation 9:13-21. Revelation 10 and Revelation 11:1-13 are parenthetical passages. Then, after Revelation 11:14 says that the second woe is past, it picks up with...

That sums up the pre-trib rapture doctrine. It's based on wild speculation and not on scripture.

Right. The last trumpet is not actually the last trumpet in any sense in the pre-trib rapture view. It's the second to last trumpet or something like that instead.

Right. The text is explicitly clear, but we (amils) get accused of spiritualizing scripture. No, our amil doctrine is based on literal scriptures like the one you posted here and 2 Peter 3:10-12.

So, you just disregard spiritual things just because of false teachers? You don't need to ignore or deny spiritual truths just because there is also spiritual falsehood being taught. It's because of your carnal way of thinking that you deny things like the existence of spiritual Israel and the...

I don't think so. But, Amil sees that as spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection, as passages like Colossians 2:12-13 and Romans 6:9-11 talk about that. So, you left that part out. Again, you have the MOST important resurrection of all missing from Revelation 20. Isn't that even...

Premills go completely out of their way to deny obvious truth. It's sad to witness. The scriptures are very clear that mass physical destruction will occur when Jesus returns. Peter is explicitly clear that it will affect the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).

Why would you think that "he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe" (2 Thess 1:10) 7 years after the rapture? You think we will be gathered to Him at the rapture, but Jesus won't "be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that...

Paul is very clear that the bodies of all believers will be changed at the same time at the last trumpet and that will include all of the dead in Christ who will be resurrected at the same time and you deny this. The last trumpet has not yet sounded.

Tell me, does someone need to be bodily resurrected in order to be priests of God the Father and of Christ and in order to reign with Him and to make it so that the second death has no power over them? Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the...

What in the world are you talking about? English teachers have no clue how to interpret scripture. The text says Jesus Himself is the firstfruit(s). You are trying to get around that. Scripture explicitly says He was the first to rise from the dead (Acts 26:23). In what sense was He the first to...

What we know is something real and spiritual that we call spiritual Israel or the Israel of God he just disregards as a fictional metaphor. It's ridiculous.

Are spiritual things and realities just fiction in your mind? Do you not understand anything beyond physical things and what you can see with your physical eyes?

No, I did not. I am going by what the text actually indicates. You are not. It specifically says Christ Himself is the firstfruits. He is the firstfruits of what? Of those who have fallen asleep. He is their firstfruits. It doesn't say they are the firstfruits. You are twisting the text to make...

So, how would you identify the Israel that existed at the time Paul wrote Romans 9:6-8 of which not all who were descended from the physical nation of Israel were part? Would you call it Metaphorical Israel? Many of us call it Spiritual Israel or the Israel of God, as Paul called it in Galatians...

You are very repetitive and evasive. No need for the all caps. Calm down. There is an Israel that has existed during the New Testament time period and Paul referenced it in Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11 and Galatians 6:16. You are saying the physical nation of Israel didn't exist. Yeah, no...