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    How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?

    Dear Friend: Your 'Big Picture' leaves a lot to desired. Those who are accounted worthy to escape all the things that shall come to pass. Luke 21:36 will be given incorruptible bodies. These will allow them to move between heaven and earth, during the1,000 years and they will be kept busy...
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    When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?

    Charlie -- Correction, if I may; before the first seal is opened. To reign over all the nations of the world, during the 1,000 years, from heaven, under the leadership of the Lamb, Jesus Christ. Incorruptible bodies will make it possible, for those who are to be resurrected/raptured, to move...
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    When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?

    I agree, the rapture will take place pre-trib and it will be a partial rapture, Luke 20:33-36 and 21.36 make is clear only those who will be 'accounted worthy' will be resurrected and 'obtain that world' or will be raptured and 'stand before the Son of man' in that world. However, I believe the...
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    Why I am leaving this forum

    Charlie --I'm not leaving, my friend, and you did not reply to my statement about Satan. Please note, in Matt.24:31, the 'elect' refers to those who will be taken off the earth, in the harvest of Rev. 14:14-15. They will be the people from every nation and every tribe who will enter the 1,000...
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    Why I am leaving this forum

    Charlie -- Since you are not prepared to accept the truth of the scriptures, as written, then further discussion will be polntless, for both of us. However, I would like to point out that Satan is still actively attacking believers so your 'Catholic view' is without merit. God Bless you...
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    Why I am leaving this forum

    The 'logical truth' is that the rapture/resurrection of those who are 'accounted worthy' can only take place pre-trib because the scripture pertaining to being 'accounted worthy to stand before the Son of man' , Luke 21:36, speak of escaping the things of the tribulation. We are instructed...
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    Why I am leaving this forum

    Charlie -- The 'thief on the cross' only proves that the souls of all believers go to heaven when their bodies die. Jesus, after the 'falling away' will come for those who are alive and will be 'accounted worthy to stand before the Son of man', Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always...
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    Creation Of Earth

    Yes, but the second thing God made was a 'firmament', an expansion, 'in the midst of the waters' and 'God called the firmament heaven'. This expansion, our lowest heaven, is what now contains the water vapor that was the result of the flood when God opened the windows of the lowest heaven at...
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    New Views on the Rapture

    It might interest you to know I do not fear death, my friend, for I know that when my body dies my soul will go to heaven to be with the Lord, as did the soul of the thief on the cross and I know persecutions can be the lot of a believer. There is no doubt Paul, and many other believers, have...
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    New Views on the Rapture

    Charlie -- It is interesting to note how a change in the emphasis can change our understanding of some scriptures.. The above is a case in point. 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth...
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    New Views on the Rapture

    How do you interpret the 'accounted worthy' of Luke 20:35-36 and 21:36? They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the...
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    New Views on the Rapture

    To whom it may concern: 2. Thess. 2:3-4, from the KJV, reads: [b]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or...
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    The Bridegroom Cometh

    Dear lioncubseal: In 1 Thess.4:13-18, Paul writes: But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God...
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    Parables And Metaphors As Anchors

    Dear Veteran -- Thank you for your post. It is obvious we are arguing for the sake of arguing for we are both adamant about what we believe of the resurrection/rapture and of the events of end times. Therefore, my friend, I will not respond to further discussion with you on these subjects...
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    Parables And Metaphors As Anchors

    Charlie -- The word translated 'Lord, in verse 10 is Strong's number 2792,'kurios' which can be understood to mean 'God, Lord, master, Sir but the word translated God, in verse 12, is the Strong's number 2316, 'theos' - God, the supreme being. Therefore, in 2792 the words 'Lord' and 'God' are...
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    Parables And Metaphors As Anchors

    Charlie -- Sorry, Veteran, I disagree. The 'thief in the night' expression is also applied to the coming of the 'day of God'. That will be a day, at the end of the shortened 45 days of Dan. 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days...
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    What is the purpose of the Tribulation?

    Charlie -- Yes Charlie -- Dan 9:25- 27 reads, as follows. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the...
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    What is the purpose of the Tribulation?

    One thing the 7 year tribulation will do is fulfill prophecies. Daniel's 70 weeks, for instance, and there are other OT prophecies as well as NT prophecies, including much of Revelations. The end of the 7years will be the point at which all Israel will be saved, spiritually. Those who...
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    Creation Of Earth

    Charlie: How could there have been clouds before the flood? The Word divided the water from the water, on the 2nd day, with the firmament that is the lower heaven, Gen.1:6-8. That water did not become part of our atmoshere until the windows of heaven were opened, at the time of the flood...