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Retrobyter In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The birds fly across the expanse of the heaven (Gen 1:20); this is necessarily the atmosphere, since birds cannot survive outside the lower part of the atmosphere. God stretched out the heavens (Job 9:8; Is 45:12); this must...

He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace...Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the ear... their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings...

terry That assumes you are correct in your identification of it, doesn't it?! The fact that it is on the forehead or hand is an obvious reference to Deuteronomy 11:18, which means that the mark has got to be some kind of explicit commitment to the beast and thus an explicit rejection of...

veteran Where is your evidence for that? He got his dispensational theology from his own study of the bible while he was recuperating from an accident in 1827, and afterwards, and developed the rapture doctrine in discussions over several years, including the Powerscourt conferences. from J...

Rex Well that is certainly your privilege! To judge by past fulfilled prophecy, prophecy of future events is fulfilled exactly,yet often appears very different from what people were expecting. But I do feel that the regular scaremongering about RFID chips and the like is beside the point...

Christ is anointed to be king. The 69 weeks run from the command given to Nehemiah for rebuilding the city up to the triumphal entry when Jesus publicly claimed by his actions to be the King Messiah. This works out to the day, so there is no need to look elsewhere for fulfilments that don't...

Rex Jesus referred to the practice in Matthew 23:5 (condemning the Pharisees for being ostentatious about it). Bearing that in mind, it seems very likely that the mark of the beast will be something visible. Just as the phylactery was supposed to remind the wearer of God's word and to...

Raeneske, what evidence do you have that the commands to bind the words on the forehead and the hand and on the door posts were not meant to be taken literally?

I think a hollow earth is ruled out by seismology, which shows that the earth has a molten iron core. The heat to melt it probably came from accelerated nuclear decay, of which there seem to have been two episodes. (See Creation Ministries International's site and search their article index)...

Do you think I haven't?!

I don't say I haven't read teachers about it, of course. But I find the arguments for the pre-tribulational rapture by far the most convincing.

Veteran, you should realise that the only churches I have attended were Anglican. My belief in the pre-tribulation rapture is from my own study, not from being taught to follow it. +++ http://biblesuite.co...w/alah_5927.htm The basic meaning is to ascend, not to descend. The only two other...

[color=#282828][font=helvetica][size=3][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)] kaoticprofit I didn't say that the Feast of Trumpets was to do with the seven trumpets of Revelation. That is your own invention - or fabrication. What I am saying is that Paul is much more likely to be referring to...

kaoticprofit The seventh trumpet is sounded in 11:15. A number of things happen after that; indeed chapter 12 changes topic entirely and goes back to the birth of Christ. However the last trumpet in 1 Cor 15, which is also the trumpet of God in 1 Thess 4, is the signal for the rapture to...

The rapture removes the church before the wrath of God: For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:9) The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is the wrath of God on the world, combined with tribulation designed to...

If you believe there will be a rapture and you prepare not to go in it, you are saying you are in doubt whether you are saved at all. In that case, the answer to the original question is: Repent and believe the gospel. If people have been taught that they will not suffer any tribulation, they...

No. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians decades before John wrote Revelation. He wrote to people whom he would expect to understand what he said. He cannot therefore be using a forward reference that they would have no means of understanding. There was already something called "the last trumpet", so...

7angels I'm not sure what more you want me to say. You already quoted me giving the bare bones of it: The Spring feasts should be uncontroversial, I hope. They commence at the beginning of the barley harvest. Passover (Pesach) was instituted as a memorial of the first Passover (Exodus...

veteran, if you or others were to respond in detail to all the points I listed that indicate the pre-tribulational rapture of the church, I might be more impressed by such condemnations.

veteran, you reveal the reason for your errors about the rapture's place in the end-times sequence: that you don't understand the role of Israel. Israel is elect as a nation, not as individuals. Israel is not the same as the church and the promises to Israel, which are nearly all ones...