‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?

[Johann]

TRUE THIS IS DEAR SISTER .
YET what if i told you I am joined unto the LORD and yet ............oh yes sister , HERE IT COMES
and yet i seemed to embrace a love that not only wont correct sins and errors in the church
but even embraces some sins .
What if i said GOD IS LOVE and yet i said , EVERYONE is fine on whaterver path they are on , AS LONG AS THEY LOVE .
What if ....................
TEST the spirits , test the doctrine , test all that has breath .
Cause i notice something a lot . NOT SAYING YOU SISTER , i want to say that so as you understand
this is not coming in as accusing you .
I NOTICE a lot of folks seem to be follow what THEY THINK IS GOD , THEY THINK IS THE SPIRIT
and yet ...................oh yes and yet , IT BE CONTRADICTING the JESUS in the gospels
it be twisting things and omitting things and it seems to honor the god of the mirror .
How come so many have bought into a love and yet IF we even examined it
WE WOULD SEE , IT WONT HONOR GOD , rather it panders to the flesh and emotions of humanity .
IT PUTS humanity FIRST .
OH dont judge it says , OH dont correct it says we all sinners . OH DONT
notice the dont do that it teaches , SOUNDS NUTTIN LIKE JESUS , or any other apostle did when it came to SIN in that church .
How come todays love seems not to follow THE PATTERN JESUS and the apostles set
FOR CORRECTION in the church . AND the answer is , ITS COMING FROM THE DEVIL .
And i just dont have time to sugar coat stuff . Sure i am grave , but man i see folks drowning in deceptoin
and i see leaven , EVEN THE TINIEST AMOUNT as dangerous . DO that make me an emeny of GOD and of humanity
OR , OR , does it mean by grace i am following the original pattern , CAUSE BY GRACE I KNOW ITS THE ONLY PATTERN
that works . I LEave that for this site and all to decide .
BUT before any makes a decision i want to give us the three hour challenge .
I challenge every man woman and child , if we have youngsters here , TO OPEN that bible
READ THE NEW TEST for three hours daily . DO it for three months .
THEN COME back and show , what most think is a man of belial and hate , MY ERROR .
OH YEAH There is a reason i say this . I Know what GOD DID FOR ME . AND MY DESIRE IS THE SAME GOOD FOR THEM .

You are doing a sterling work here brother-keep this up.
Johann.

 

[Lizbeth]

Jn 10:31 - 38 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? “If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”

There is a certain subject that the Jews had trouble with when Jesus the Christ was on earth in the flesh!! They had trouble with Him being One with the Father!!

So I guess it would not be surprising that there are those today who have trouble with the idea of the Oneness of God!! Some want to argue about how the Lord our God is One Lord - and that the Holy Spirit says Jesus Christ is Lord!

Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

Deut 6:4 “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Of course who don't know Jesus Christ is our Lord and is also God, are going to have a problem with Jesus Christ being the Lord our God, no matter how often this is discussed in the Scriptures! Still, this Oneness is discussed over and over and over again in the Bible, despite what they think! Indeed, if you read the Bible you will note that this Oneness is what saves us, because we are saved because we come into a oneness with God ourselves!!

Jn 17: 19 - 22 “For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; hat they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;

Jesus prayed that we would be one with Him even as He is one with His Father. Of course we are not perfect like Him!! He is the perfect image of the invisible God, and is one with His Father, so He is God - even if the religious Jews back then didn't like Him being God!!!

And note that when He prays He gets what He asks for! The true believer, whether anyone cares to believe it or not, becomes one with Jesus Christ, because He sends His Holy Spirit to indwell us. Of course that doesn't mean we are the perfect image of the invisible God!! We still too often lean on our understanding instead of doing and saying only what the Lord our God tells us. But still we have the Holy Spirit of God (meaning God) inside us. What did we think it meant when we read about being Born Again. When Born Again, we are born of the Holy Spirit, meaning it is not just us in us, but God also is in us. We are a new creature in Christ, because we have His spirit in us, to listen to if we decide to listen. So we hear the sound of the wind (the Holy Spirit) who indwells us!!

That is why it was written "he called them gods, to whom the word of God came"

We get salvation when His Holy Spirit comes into us! And the Holy Spirit brings us the words that the Lord our God Jesus Christ has to speak to us personally - which is why "to whom the word of God came"!!

Now I certainly don't feel like any god, even with a small "g"!! Never-the Less, I do hear from my Lord vis His Holy Spirit speaking His words to my spirit. And also, by following His instructions, there have been times in my life when I have seen miracles!! Hundreds of them, actually! I can't do them, but i can do what He asks of me, and He has asked me at times to pray for other people, and then I saw miracles happen! Honestly, it seems that the Holy Spirit who indwells me provides the power of God to do the miracles that I see happen. Indeed, often I feel something like power flowing through me when I have laid hands on a person and prayed like I was told to pray.

Honestly, it is all kind of weird!! What I like is the relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ. I like talking to Him, and hearing what He says. The miracles are just kind of a side thing that occasionally happens when I am doing what He askes me to do from in me. The Word of God I preach (Jesus Christ talking to me) is found near me, even in my heart... and sometimes I find The Word of God in my mouth. So maybe I could be considered a god, like it is written. But I don't think about it much. I just like to think about hearing from my friend Jesus Christ! He is the Lord my God and is One with His Father, whether others like it or not!!!

Can't remember if I already commented on this post or not, but "gods" are divine beings....aka spiritual/heavenly. Angels are "gods" and "sons of God"......and Jesus said we shall be like the angels. Bible says all of creation waits for the sons of God to be revealed - that's us! But this is why Philip could be translated like angels can be translated from one place to another. And why Jesus said of those who are born of the Spirit that WE would be like the wind which you can't tell where it comes from or where it is going. That is like Himself who was able to "slip" unharmed and escape through a crowd of arms and hands that were trying to grasp him to throw him over a cliff. An angel in Revelation told John not to bow down to him....he was a fellow servant, one of the brethren, of the prophets. (Rev 22:9) All things are possible with God.

 

[Johann]

1) His Voice, audibly? Yes, needed in the apostles' day, before Scripture Was Completed. Amen?

However, today, Under Grace, would not this kind of experience Contradict?:

1Co 4:6 "And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself​

and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think above​

That Which Is Written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."​

Then, with No Contradiction? "...faith cometh by hearing...":

2) hearing God's Written Word read out loud (audibly), and/or:

3) reading/hearing God's Written Word in the inner man, listening ( spiritually )?

Amen.

Amen-too many Pentecostals running around. And don't forget, the Holy Spirit illuminating the Scriptures.
J.

 

[Johann]

Can't remember if I already commented on this post or not, but "gods" are divine beings....aka spiritual/heavenly. Angels are "gods" and "sons of God"......and Jesus said we shall be like the angels. Bible says all of creation waits for the sons of God to be revealed - that's us! But this is why Philip could be translated like angels can be translated from one place to another. And why Jesus said of those who are born of the Spirit that WE would be like the wind which you can't tell where it comes from or where it is going. That is like Himself who was able to "slip" unharmed and escape through a crowd of arms and hands that were trying to grasp him to throw him over a cliff. An angel in Revelation told John not to bow down to him....he was a fellow servant, one of the brethren, of the prophets. (Rev 22:9) All things are possible with God.

Could you clarify @Lizbeth? Are we "little gods" running around in this world?

 

[Lizbeth]

Could you clarify @Lizbeth? Are we "little gods" running around in this world?

No....just divine beings....spiritual beings....like the angels. But this is where some go wrong....we are not equal with God/Christ and never will be. Scripture says clearly there will no God after Him. But we will be and are like a bride/wife in union with and in submission to her Husband. His image and counterpart so to speak, but not more than that. That was Lucifer's mistake.

 

[Johann]

No....just divine beings....spiritual beings....like the angels. But this is where some go wrong....we are not equal with God/Christ and never will be. Scripture says clearly there will no God after Him. But we will be and are like a bride/wife in union with and in submission to her Husband. His image and counterpart so to speak, but not more than that. That was Lucifer's mistake.

You had me worried there-till I read "But this is where some go wrong--" Here is my take, between me and you, I am a sinner, saved by grace and though we are saints I feel very far from being "saintly"-know what I mean?
You may proceed Lizbeth.
God bless
Johann.

 

[Lizbeth]

Amen-too many Pentecostals running around. And don't forget, the Holy Spirit illuminating the Scriptures.
J.

His sheep hear His voice. We are not to quench the SPIRIT. But test all things since there is also a deceiver running around. Since it can easily be turned into an idolatrous commotion it makes some people afraid of things of the Spirit....but this is why the Lord said if we ask for bread He will not give us a stone. etc...how much more will He give of His SPIRIT to those who ask? As long as our hearts are right and we handle it with a mature attitude.

We have a living relationship with the LIVING God. I'm sad for those who would cut themselves off from the fullness and richness of having been reconciled and restored to a relationship with the living God, who desires to speak individually to His people at various times in various ways, according to His will and wisdom and for His purposes. Dreams and visions, still small voice..etc....all very scriptural. But not meant to be handled Hollywood style (worldly way) as we often see in certain circles. If we start seeking thrills and chills instead of just seeking the Lord in simplicity and sincerity it all gets turned into a snare. Analogy of handling the ark of God with hands of flesh...that doesn't lead to life but the opposite. Too many want to use the things of God for personal gain and to put on public display like that sorcerer who was rebuked by Paul.

 

[Lizbeth]

You had me worried there-till I read "But this is where some go wrong--" Here is my take, between me and you, I am a sinner, saved by grace and though we are saints I feel very far from being "saintly"-know what I mean?
You may proceed Lizbeth.
God bless
Johann.

Thank God we have this wonderful treasure in our jars of clay. Yes I think I do know what you mean. Jar of clay, feet of clay...I so often lament...the older I get the more I realize what a stumbling bumbling fool I am and have been in my life.

 

[Johann]

His sheep hear His voice. We are not to quench the SPIRIT. But test all things since there is also a deceiver running around. Since it can easily be turned into an idolatrous commotion it makes some people afraid of things of the Spirit....but this is why the Lord said if we ask for bread He will not give us a stone. etc...how much more will He give of His SPIRIT to those who ask? As long as our hearts are right and we handle it with a mature attitude.

We have a living relationship with the LIVING God. I'm sad for those who would cut themselves off from the fullness and richness of having been reconciled and restored to a relationship with the living God, who desires to speak individually to His people at various times in various ways, according to His will and wisdom and for His purposes. Dreams and visions, still small voice..etc....all very scriptural. But not meant to be handled Hollywood style (worldly way) as we often see in certain circles. If we start seeking thrills and chills instead of just seeking the Lord in simplicity and sincerity it all gets turned into a snare. Analogy of handling the ark of God with hands of flesh...that doesn't lead to life but the opposite. Too many want to use the things of God for personal gain and to put on public display like that sorcerer who was rebuked by Paul.

Let's just agree to disagree Lizbeth-to this day I have been scarred by Pentecostalism from a very young age and then fell into another ditch-Calvinism.
God bless
J.

 

[Lizbeth]

Let's just agree to disagree Lizbeth-to this day I have been scarred by Pentecostalism from a very young age and then fell into another ditch-Calvinism.
God bless
J.

Many toils and snares along the way....it can be a messy journey with the Lord rescuing and correcting us now and then along the way. We can come out stronger and wiser, after inadvertently having been in the enemy's camp "spying" out what he is up to.....we learn from it. Just as long as we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater though. God bless you too.

 

[Karl Peters]

To assess the validity of the claim that believers are "like gods" in the context of representing God, it's helpful to examine specific biblical passages and their theological implications.

Moses as God to Pharaoh
Exodus 7:1 (LEB):
"And Yahweh said to Moses, 'See, I have made you as a god to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet.'"

"I make you as God to Pharaoh" This seems to involve one of two things: (1) it is an idiom for Moses' authority (cf. Exod. 4:16) or (2) as Pharaoh thought himself to be a god, the plagues would show Moses as the true representative of Deity.

Greek (LXX):
καὶ εἶπεν κύριος πρὸς Μωυσῆν λέγων ἴδε δέδωκά σε θεὸν Φαραὼ καὶ Ἀαρὼν ὁ ἀδελφός σου ἔσται σου προφήτης.

In this passage, Yahweh explicitly states that He has made Moses "as a god" to Pharaoh. The Hebrew word used here for "god" is "אֱלֹהִים" (Elohim), which can mean "God," "gods," or "judges." In this context, it indicates that Moses will have divine authority and power in his interactions with Pharaoh, essentially acting as God's spokesperson and representative.

Believers Representing God
2 Corinthians 5:20 (LEB):
"Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were imploring you through us. We beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God."

we are ambassadors for Christ" To whom does the "we" and "you" in this verse refer? Is Paul speaking to the church? If so the "we" is Paul and his missionary team and the "you," believers at Corinth. These people did not need to be saved, but they did need to be brought back into unity.

Notice that Paul does not say believers should be ambassadors, but that they are ambassadors. This is similar to Jesus' statements in Matt. 5:13-16. Believers are salt and light. The question is what kind of salt and light. This is the question here. Believers are Christ's representatives, but what kind of ambassadors are they: factious, heretical, unloving, etc.?

Greek (TR):
Ὑπὲρ Χριστοῦ οὖν πρεσβεύομεν, ὡς τοῦ Θεοῦ παρακαλοῦντος δι’ ἡμῶν· δεόμεθα ὑπὲρ Χριστοῦ, καταλλάγητε τῷ Θεῷ.

In this passage, Paul refers to believers as "ambassadors for Christ." An ambassador is an official representative sent by a sovereign to a foreign land. This metaphor underscores the role of believers in representing Christ and His message to the world.

Theological Implications
Representation: Just as Moses was to speak and act on behalf of God to Pharaoh, believers are called to speak and act on behalf of Christ in the world. This representation carries a sense of authority and responsibility to convey God's message accurately and faithfully.

Imago Dei (Image of God): Genesis 1:27 states that humans are made in the image of God. This foundational concept implies that humans are created to reflect God's character and purposes on Earth. As bearers of God's image, believers are meant to live in a way that mirrors God's attributes such as love, justice, and mercy.

Divine Authority: In the New Testament, Jesus grants authority to His disciples to carry out His mission. For instance, in Matthew 28:18-20 (the Great Commission), Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations..."

Conclusion
While the Bible does not explicitly state that believers are "gods" in the ontological sense, it does present the idea that believers act as God's representatives, bearing His authority and message to the world. This representation can be seen as analogous to Moses being made "as a god" to Pharaoh, emphasizing the role and responsibility entrusted to believers to reflect and convey God's will on Earth.

J.

The above post is done very well, and has more understanding in it than I think most people would understand.

It is important to note that we are people and not God. Having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ means that we know Him, THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, and so if He tells us to go do something for Him, we go with all the authority and power of God behind us - like in the verse quoted in the above post - "we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were imploring you through us".

So if we indeed know and listen to Jesus Christ, via the Holy Spirit, we have the words of God spoken to us personally and with instructions from the King. So Christians, if they indeed are His sheep you indeed do hear His voice, are all a nation of ambassadors of Christ (God the Son). And that is how we become one with God - egs gods.

The real importance and depths of this understanding is amazing, if you really consider it. And the Lord asked me to work in a Christian healing ministry for five years to help me personally understand the importance and depths of this.

In that ministry, the key to doing it properly was to listen to the Lord while doing the ministry and do what He asked you to do. Which is to say the key to really being a Christian is to listen to Him and do what He askes. Because if we are listening to Him and doing what He says we have the full authority and power of God backing us up. So if the Lord wants a miracle done (a divine act of God) He can tells us the part we need to play in it (like perhaps calling for the healing as and when He tells you) and then God and His Kingdom (angels who also serve Him) act and the miracles occurs.

Mark 16:17-20“These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.
And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed. And they promptly reported all these instructions to Peter and his companions. And after that, Jesus Himself sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation.

A couple of things to note in the above verses at the end of Mark. Note that Jesus returned to the right hand of God which we know is on the throne of God. We read " Jesus Himself sent" so we are to be getting our instructions from Jesus Himself! (listen to Him) and note: "the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word" - meaning that while He tells us what He wants us to do, it is He Himself who actually does the confirming (the miracles of God and other signs) that follow what we do and say as ambassadors of Him.

Now sometimes I have run across a quote 'Christian' who is using the name of Jesus Christ like a magic saying. Which is to say they are claiming to have the power of God but they are not listening to Him. So, He is not their Lord! And they are not His ambassador. And for a couple of reasons that might even seem to work for a bit.

One reason is that the demons might indeed flee at the Lord's name, because they might think the authority and power is behind what you say. Of course, if they figure out that you are not actually hearing from the Lord then you might be in even more trouble. The seven sons of Sceva were doing this.

Acts 19:14-16 Seven sons of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this.
And the evil spirit answered and said to them, “I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?”
And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Too often I have heard people in churches say to just pray in the name of Jesus, but they don't say to listen to Jesus Christ for your instructions. And those people I have heard in church are often, like Sceva, in a chief position in that church. They just wind up raising up a bunch of "sons" that go around using the name of Jesus without actually hearing from Him. They are not ambassadors of the KING OF KINGS! An ambassador must get their instructions from the King!!!

Another reason is that the Lord knows all things which are going on at all times. So if He is raising up a new Christian, He Himself might perform the miracles requested, even though the new Christian didn't actually listen to Him for the instruction, so that the new Christian will understand that they do have access to all the authority and power of THE KING, behind them.

continued:

 

[Karl Peters]

Never-the-less, real Christians are like a nation of gods, because we operate with all the power and authority of God, because we listen to God the Son, who is on the throne of God - put there by His Father.

Ps 2;6,7 “But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”
“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

If we listen to the King and do what He askes, we are ambassadors of the KING OF KINGS, and have all the power and authority behind us to do what He asks. Yet sometimes after we do what He asks, and the power and authority of God has gone, or seems to be gone, we might find ourselves on the run.

1 Kings 18: 37,38 ... “Answer me, O LORD, answer me, that this people may know that You, O LORD, are God, and that You have turned their heart back again.” Then the fire of the LORD fell...

1 Kings 19:3 And he was afraid and arose and ran for his life and came to Beersheba, which belongs to Judah, and left his servant there.

So you can be doing what He told you, using and calling on His name and seeing the fire from heaven fall, then on the run afterwards. But it is ok, because He still has His Kingdom of God watching over you.

1 Kings 19:5 He lay down and slept under a juniper tree; and behold, there was an angel touching him, and he said to him, “Arise, eat.”

Truly understanding how we are "gods", meaning ambassadors of God, so that as we listen and obey the King the authority, power, and Kingdom of God is with us, is massively important, and few seem to present it correctly.

 

[Karl Peters]

Let's just agree to disagree Lizbeth-to this day I have been scarred by Pentecostalism from a very young age and then fell into another ditch-Calvinism.
God bless
J.

I find this interesting, because you had a very nice post about being ambassadors of God, but you seem to fail to understand what exactly your post meant.

If a Good King tells you to go speak in His name, will He not then back you up with His Kingdom????

Now Lizbeth wrote: "His sheep hear His voice. We are not to quench the SPIRIT"

And you responded with "Let's just agree to disagree Lizbeth-to this day I have been scarred by Pentecostalism from a very young age."??

Is it not written:

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." ?

Now the Lord mostly tends to take me to what we call Charismatic churches, but I fell right at home is the Pentecostal churches I have gone to. It is obvious to me that the same Holy Spirit operates in both of them. Indeed, because He had me open and run a Christian bookstore for Him, I have seen that that same Holy Spirit operates in some way or another in all His churches - in ALL His Church. Yet it seems that all His churches seem to have one similar issue, and that is that they in one way or another keep those with and ear to hear from hearing what the Spirit has to say! Is that the reason you "have been scarred by Pentecostalism from a very young age and then fell into another ditch-Calvinism.", like you say?

Did we not read that "‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’ was written to all seven churches in the book of Revelation? It seems like you have great head knowledge of the Lord but lack a real understanding of what you know. It almost seems you know a lot about the Lord but do not actually know the Lord.

So my question to you is, how often do you really take time to take back and forth with Him personally?

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

There is a day what each of us need to reason with the Lord - telling Him what we think so that He can tell us what He thinks (reasoning with Him) and that day to hear from His is Today, is it not?

Heb 3:7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,

Heb 3:13 But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.

His sheep do hear His voice, and on that day called "Today", right?

And Indeed, to be an ambassador a person must hear the voice of the King , right?
And if the King, then the One who as Lord gives instructions, right?
And if instructions to command healing in His name, then the authority and power of the King, right?

And was this not the reason Lizbeth wrote:
"but this is why the Lord said if we ask for bread He will not give us a stone. etc...how much more will He give of His SPIRIT to those who ask? As long as our hearts are right and we handle it with a mature attitude. We have a living relationship with the LIVING God. I'm sad for those who would cut themselves off from the fullness and richness of having been reconciled "

Perhaps I am wrong - but it seems that Lizbeth has a deep personal relationship with the Lord where as you have a good knowledge about Him, but do you actually know Him, personally?

I don't mean to be too presumptuous, but if we really do believe in Him we believe in Him who wants to talks to us personally!! Indeed, He is just standing there speaking and if anyone hears His voice and opens up to Him He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. So do you not go to lunch, so to speak, with Him and discussed things, back and forth, with Him? If so, has He not told you about the power and authority of God that is fully available to you, and that is comes from doing what He asks as a King might ask and ambassador to go and to what the King asks and the Kingdom will back you up?

 

[Johann]

Perhaps I am wrong - but it seems that Lizbeth has a deep personal relationship with the Lord where as you have a good knowledge about Him, but do you actually know Him, personally?

I don't mean to be too presumptuous, but if we really do believe in Him we believe in Him who wants to talks to us personally!! Indeed, He is just standing there speaking and if anyone hears His voice and opens up to Him He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. So do you not go to lunch, so to speak, with Him and discussed things, back and forth, with Him? If so, has He not told you about the power and authority of God that is fully available to you, and that is comes from doing what He asks as a King might ask and ambassador to go and to what the King asks and the Kingdom will back you up?

Yes-you are wrong, completely wrong-come live here with me in Africa for a month.
I say again, I am not into Pentecostalism-Charismatic movement and the Pinkster Protestante ekklesia and the Word of Faith movement.

The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is speaking to me through His word and don't be too quick to judge me, judge with a righteous judgement.

Johann.

 

[Johann]

And you responded with "Let's just agree to disagree Lizbeth-to this day I have been scarred by Pentecostalism from a very young age."??

What is it that you don't understand what I have said here-you really think I am quenching the Spirit?

 

[Karl Peters]

What do you mean:

The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is speaking to me through His word

Too often people call the Bible "The Word of God", but in the Bible Jesus Christ is called "The Word of God" - you read that right?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying,
“Do not fear, Abram,
I am a shield to you;
Your reward shall be very great.”

Abam did not read the Bible, because it was not even written, but Abram did hear "the word of the Lord" who came a spoke to him in a vision! Abram then believed in Him (the word of the Lord) and that was counted to him as righteousness!

Gen 15:6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

So our righteousness does not come from reading the Bible (as the Word) but in listening to Jesus Christ, the Son of God who is on the throne of God as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OR LORDS - right?

And there was a mistake the Jews were making which Jesus called the out on and it was:

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

So if they were making that great mistake, it is possible that some could be making that mistake today, or is it not written that there is nothing new under the sun?

So if by writing : "The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is speaking to me through His word", you meant that you know the Lord Jesus Christ because you are searching the Scriptures, so that you don't actually come to Him personally???

He, Jesus Christ, is in fact there as the Word of God to speak to us, and that to mean that the Word of God we preach is found in our mouth and heart, so not in the sacred writings in ink on paper, right?

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

And we know that Word is Jesus Christ:

Rom 10: 8 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),

So I want to ask again:

Do you know Jesus Christ? Do you hear that small voice of His?

 

[Johann]

What do you mean:



Too often people call the Bible "The Word of God", but in the Bible Jesus Christ is called "The Word of God" - you read that right?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying,
“Do not fear, Abram,
I am a shield to you;
Your reward shall be very great.”

Abam did not read the Bible, because it was not even written, but Abram did hear "the word of the Lord" who came a spoke to him in a vision! Abram then believed in Him (the word of the Lord) and that was counted to him as righteousness!

Gen 15:6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

So our righteousness does not come from reading the Bible (as the Word) but in listening to Jesus Christ, the Son of God who is on the throne of God as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OR LORDS - right?

And there was a mistake the Jews were making which Jesus called the out on and it was:

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

So if they were making that great mistake, it is possible that some could be making that mistake today, or is it not written that there is nothing new under the sun?

So if by writing : "The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is speaking to me through His word", you meant that you know the Lord Jesus Christ because you are searching the Scriptures, so that you don't actually come to Him personally???

He, Jesus Christ, is in fact there as the Word of God to speak to us, and that to mean that the Word of God we preach is found in our mouth and heart, so not in the sacred writings in ink on paper, right?

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

And we know that Word is Jesus Christ:

Rom 10: 8 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),

So I want to ask again:

Do you know Jesus Christ? Do you hear that small voice of His?

Listen @Karl Peters-I know my Lord Christ Jesus and known by Him, sealed with the Holy Spirit--I said judge with a righteous judgement and no-I don't hear "voices/Kolim" and when that happen I would book myself into the nearest hospital.
You don't know me from a bar of soap man and I don't know you-come live with me in Africa-free boarding and lodging and don't ever call my salvation in Messiah in question again.

You don't even know what my vocation is.

Hope this is crystal to you.
Johann.

 

[Karl Peters]

What is it that you don't understand what I have said here-you really think I am quenching the Spirit?

The Spirit does not speak on His own initiative, but as He hears from our Lord Jesus Christ He speaks to us, right?

“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. “He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.


Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life

Jn 16:13 -15 Therefore if we are not actually hearing the voice of our Lord Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit speaking to our Spirit (that small voice of His which we pick up in words) then we are " quenching the Spirit"! “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

So if we are not actually hearing from the Holy Spirit and the words He speaks to our spirit (so not the words spoken to Moses and the writers of the Bible but to us personally) then we are "quenching the Spirit"!

So do you hear His voice, that small voice inside you speaking words to you, or not? I don't need to know but you do need to know!

Again, I am not trying to be presumptuous, but from what you are writing it seems like you might not be. It seems like you have done a fine job of studying the Bible, but it also seems like you don't understand that the writers of the Bible were writing so that you might actually seek the voice of the Lord and personally get to know Him!!!

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Moses wrote what he did so that we might believe the Lord's words, and those are found near us, in our mouth and in our heart, so not in the writings, and that is the Word of God we are preaching!!

Deut 30:14 “But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

My friend: I appreciate your writings, but I am concerned that is seems that you might not actually know Him. Do you not ever go shopping at the store, with your Bible at home, and hear Him advise you to get this or that item? And that reminds me, that He was asking me to go to the grocery store this morning to get a couple of things we need in my house, even for breakfast.

Again, I don't really need to know if you personally speak to Him Today, but you would know what I am saying if you do. His sheep do indeed hear His voice, while driving, walking, and many times during the day, and often while reading the Bible also, but we don't need the Bible to hear from Him!! Indeed, reading the Bible is not hearing from Him, though He likes to talk about it a lot.

 

[Karl Peters]

Listen @Karl Peters-I know my Lord Christ Jesus and known by Him, sealed with the Holy Spirit--I said judge with a righteous judgement and no-I don't hear "voices/Kolim" and when that happen I would book myself into the nearest hospital.
You don't know me from a bar of soap man and I don't know you-come live with me in Africa-free boarding and lodging and don't ever call my salvation in Messiah in question again.

You don't even know what my vocation is.

Hope this is crystal to you.
Johann.

If you know Him, then why do you seem upset. As for me, if someone wonders if I actually know Him, I rejoice that I have found another who knows Him! I love talking about Him, and the things He personally tells me. I have to go, but if you want to talk about Him and the personal things He speaks to you, I would love to also do that. He tells me things like:

Well - like when to go to the grocery store, and I need to now go do that like He told me, least my wife get up before I got her breakfast. :)

 

[Johann]

So our righteousness does not come from reading the Bible (as the Word) but in listening to Jesus Christ, the Son of God who is on the throne of God as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OR LORDS - right?

With this statement please join the nearest Catholic ekklesia-when I was a young lad I was never without my blue little Gideon Bible-Afrikaans bybel.
Forgot to mention, English is not my first language but since you quote a bunch of verses out of context, now you have my attention.