“Alive Unto God”

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Netchaplain

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When is the believer “alive unto God”? Of course it’s at rebirth, which occurs during the receiving of faith in the Lord Jesus. What does “alive” mean? It means one is no longer in the “second death,” which is the eternal “lake of fire,” for the saved have “passed from death unto life” (Jhn 5:24), e.g. “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9).

At rebirth the believer possess “all things that pertain unto life and godliness” (2 Pet 1:3), thus the issue now is in the lifelong lessons learning to walk in this new and holy realm, in order to manifest it, which glorifies God to others; for the drawing of the lost and the strengthening of the saved.

How believers live their lives reveals at what level of maturity in Christ the Father has them. The encouraging and comforting thing to realize is that since the blessing of salvation possessed by the redeemed has come not by their effort nor performance (other than being a recipient) but in the way of a gift. Therefore the gift cannot be affected by anything the saved will do (thankfully).

A grave misunderstanding is in the concept that believers are to first live in the manner which God desires of them in order to possess and retain salvation. This stops short of the conception that living unto God requires first possessing His Spirit and then learning—via His Word—to understand and apply what God desires.
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“Alive Unto God”

“Likewise, reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God in Christ Jesus, our Lord” (Rom 6:11). It is an immense thing to see how we are “alive unto God.” I think a great many are trying to live to God. That is, they want to reach it in their responsible life, instead of seeing that it is “in Christ Jesus” (already living unto God via the life of the Lord Jesus – Col 3:4, which is progressively manifested by the manner of walk—NC).

I believe that many conceive of living to the Father as being in their responsible (in their own efforts—NC) life down here; that is, they think that it is in a life of practical righteousness and holiness (legalism—NC) that they are to live to the Father. The “likewise” is either forgotten or misunderstood, it would seem (“likewise reckon” intends that the believer, since rebirth is also already dead to sin, which will be manifested by the life lived—NC).

The Lord Jesus has died unto sin, and lives unto God. He lives not only personally free from sin (He was ever this), but He is outside the whole range of sin. He lives unto God in scenes where sin can never come, and where all things are of God. His death and risen life are my title to live unto God in the same sphere.

Such is the grace of God that I may appropriate the Lord Jesus’s death, and count that I have died unto sin. It is appropriation that tests us. How often we stop at admiration! It is as we appropriate that we become spiritually robust. It is only thus that I could reach “alive unto God in Christ Jesus.” Death unto sin is not the terminus—it is the station in route—the terminus is “alive unto God in Christ Jesus.”

I could not live in sin, that is, in the life of Adam (sinful nature; old man—NC) and live unto God in Christ Jesus at the same time (Mat 7:17, 18; Jam 3:11, 12). I must have died unto sin, by reckoning upon my death in Him (understand my present death in Christ—NC) in order to be able to live unto God in Him. “Dead unto sin” is not that I abstain from sinning (though it be a great desire, it’s an impossibility—NC), but I quit the life of sinful Adam altogether, by the appropriation of the last Adam’s death unto sin (not practically but considered now being in the position of Jesus’ sinless life—NC), and count myself as a new creation alive unto God in Christ Jesus.

The result of this is that in my responsible life I yield myself to God, and my members as instruments of righteousness to Him. It is because I know what it is to be “alive unto God” that I can do this. A good many are reversing the process. They are trying to live to God by putting the responsible life right (counting on their efforts instead of realizing we are already “alive”—NC). What a blessed thing it is to be under grace!

As we are attracted to the Lord Jesus by His love, we find His death between us and our “old man,” and between us, the world and Satan. This is the way of real deliverance (not only actual in our position but also in our conscience—NC), and happy freedom from what is evil here in ourselves and in the scene around.

- C A Coates




Excerpt from MJS devotional for Aug. 17:

“Paul devoted two full chapters to establish our freedom from the fallen Adam. Romans Six sets forth our freedom from the dominion of Adamic sin; Romans Seven explains our freedom from Adamic law.

Whereas our liberty was won on the Cross, it is worked out in our daily life and experience by the Holy Spirit. On the Cross, by the Spirit, in the Lord Jesus Christ.”
- Miles J Stanford
http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
 

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At rebirth the believer possess “all things that pertain unto life and godliness” (2 Pet 1:3),
So does that me we have every thing that we need for every situation for this life?
 

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So does that me we have every thing that we need for every situation for this life?

Good thought. At first look it seems that way Ha!
But when looking closer..."that pertain unto ..."

A bit like the verse where people just quote- " All things work together for good..."
But they leave of the .."to them that love God, and are "the called" according to His purpose." ( His purpose, not ours! :) )
 

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So does that me we have every thing that we need for every situation for this life?
Understandable question! My reply depends on your meaning of "every situation for this life." Our salvation supersedes everything in this life, but the passage is referring to "life" as in eternal life, because without this there is no life-giving power from Christ. This present life is not considered to be life in the eternal sense, and unless we possess the One who is the Life (Jhn 14:6), we are only the dead living in this this temporal life awaiting eternal death (second death).

I believe God always provides us what He knows we need in every situation we encounter, even if we don't see it and I apologize if I did not understand your inquiry.

Blessings!
 

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Good thought. At first look it seems that way Ha!
But when looking closer..."that pertain unto ..."

A bit like the verse where people just quote- " All things work together for good..."
But they leave of the .."to them that love God, and are "the called" according to His purpose." ( His purpose, not ours! :) )
I like your opinion here and carries some instruction, but the sense is that believers are provided with all things that are eternal life and that are godly related. But it is a matter of time for God to teach us how to walk in them so others might benefit from the examples.

Romans 8:28 assures the believer to benefit from all that is encountered. Whether we see it or not we can be assured He always uses everything encountered, I believe mostly for growth in our faith.
 

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Understandable question! My reply depends on your meaning of "every situation for this life." Our salvation supersedes everything in this life, but the passage is referring to "life" as in eternal life, because without this there is no life-giving power from Christ. This present life is not considered to be life in the eternal sense, and unless we possess the One who is the Life (Jhn 14:6), we are only the dead living in this this temporal life awaiting eternal death (second death).

I believe God always provides us what He knows we need in every situation we encounter, even if we don't see it and I apologize if I did not understand your inquiry.

Blessings!
Jesus corrected the pharisees and told then God was God of the living and we are alive unto Christ. So we are not the dead waiting to die.
Any way My point is He gave us all we need. He sent us out to heal the sick raise the dead and cast out demons.

At rebirth the believer possess “all things that pertain unto life and godliness” (2 Pet 1:3),

If we have all things pertianing to godliness. that would the ability to heal the sick. and if its given to me its given to you, God has no favourets.
Jeus Healed them all every where He went. and we are to be ambassodor for Him and do like wise. Unfortunatly there are about 99% of Christians who will not do what they are told and are acting like unbelievers.
 

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Good thought. At first look it seems that way Ha!
But when looking closer..."that pertain unto ..."

A bit like the verse where people just quote- " All things work together for good..."
But they leave of the .."to them that love God, and are "the called" according to His purpose." ( His purpose, not ours! :) )
So if you add in the bit that you never quoted to godliness what does that me. It means acting like little gods doing every thing Jeus done as you lack NOTHING. :)
 

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we are not the dead waiting to die.
Like your comment here! Amen, we're the living waiting to leave.

If we have all things pertianing to godliness. that would the ability to heal the sick. and if its given to me its given to you, God has no favorites.
Jeus Healed them all every where He went. and we are to be ambassodor for Him and do like wise. Unfortunatly there are about 99% of Christians who will not do what they are told and are acting like unbelievers.
It's my understanding that the "gifts of the Spirit" (1 Co 12) were to "manifest" Him (1 Co 12:7) in order to "confirm the Word with signs and wonders" (Mar 16:20; Heb 2:4), "for the Jews required a sign" (1 Co 1:22). Now, since the completion (1 Co 13:10) of the Word, it confirms itself, apart from physical proof, and I believe its so that faith can be at its strongest before its gone.

I realize many still believe the gifts of the Spirit are operational today, but what we think concerning this does not affect one's possession of salvation!
 
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When is the believer “alive unto God”? Of course it’s at rebirth, which occurs during the receiving of faith in the Lord Jesus. What does “alive” mean? It means one is no longer in the “second death,” which is the eternal “lake of fire,” for the saved have “passed from death unto life” (Jhn 5:24), e.g. “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9).

At rebirth the believer possess “all things that pertain unto life and godliness” (2 Pet 1:3), thus the issue now is in the lifelong lessons learning to walk in this new and holy realm, in order to manifest it, which glorifies God to others; for the drawing of the lost and the strengthening of the saved.

How believers live their lives reveals at what level of maturity in Christ the Father has them. The encouraging and comforting thing to realize is that since the blessing of salvation possessed by the redeemed has come not by their effort nor performance (other than being a recipient) but in the way of a gift. Therefore the gift cannot be affected by anything the saved will do (thankfully).

A grave misunderstanding is in the concept that believers are to first live in the manner which God desires of them in order to possess and retain salvation. This stops short of the conception that living unto God requires first possessing His Spirit and then learning—via His Word—to understand and apply what God desires.
- NC

its nice to see more than just copy and past there netchap.

you are correct there is the theology in Christian community that supports the notion one basically earns one's way into heaven. of course that's no truer than one earns there way into the world. one is born in to the world by will of the flesh, one's physical parents not by one's own doing or will, and the same is true in the case of being born of Spirit as Jesus says: Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


then there are those who seek to teach that one can loss what God has done, and that is not unless God says so. and according to Him no one nor nothing can take you out of His hand. now in the case of Adam and Eve, God did say they could die, hence loss the life they had. (Luk 3:38)" Adam, which was the son of God." of which the Beloved Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ restored into the world to the satisfaction of the Father.
 

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its nice to see more than just copy and past there netchap.
Appreciate the compliment, but the"copying" involves my typing the article because they are out of print. About 20 yrs. ago I discovered a lot of materials that were compiled by Miles J Stanford the includes choice teachings which he put together, and have been studying them with the Bible since then.

you are correct there is the theology in Christian community that supports the notion one basically earns one's way into heaven. of course that's no truer than one earns there way into the world.
Yes, as you know, legalism is a distraction that has always existed, which Paul often dealt with.


then there are those who seek to teach that one can loss what God has done, and that is not unless God says so.
I'm convinced that once God saves you it will never be changed, but rather one will grow more from!

Thanks for your reply and input Brother!

Blessings!