1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

[ProDeo]

1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way in which He walked.

I wonder what the apostle means by that, walking as Jesus (God in the flesh) seems impossible to me since Jesus was without sin and I don't.

For context -

1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1John 2:5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

So how to understand v6 ?

 

[Lambano]

I wonder what the apostle means by that, walking as Jesus (God in the flesh) seems impossible to me since Jesus was without sin and I don't.

Maybe the possibility or impossibility of it isn't as important as the walking itself.

 

[PeterAndroz]

1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way in which He walked.

I wonder what the apostle means by that, walking as Jesus (God in the flesh) seems impossible to me since Jesus was without sin and I don't.

For context -

1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1John 2:5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

So how to understand v6 ?

Same as working out which of the following applies to you to be saved.
Does Matt 25:42-46 apply to you to be & remain saved ?
Or is it Titus 3:5-7, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom5:1 ??

 

[markalan]

1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way in which He walked.

I wonder what the apostle means by that, walking as Jesus (God in the flesh) seems impossible to me since Jesus was without sin and I don't.

For context -

1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1John 2:5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

So how to understand v6 ?

For me, the key to understanding this and similar Scriptures, is that God looks at the desire of our heart.

1 Samuel 16:7
"For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.”

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

 

[ProDeo]

Maybe the possibility or impossibility of it isn't as important as the walking itself.

I like you quoting Eph 5:1-2 because it is a kind of conclusion (Therefore) what Paul said before, chapter 4:17-end.

Thank you.

 

[ProDeo]

Same as working out which of the following applies to you to be saved.
Does Matt 25:42-46 apply to you to be & remain saved ?
Or is it Titus 3:5-7, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom5:1 ??

What bothers me about v6 is not so much about being saved but the DEMAND to walk like Jesus. And then I immediately think -> wait a minute, I am not Jesus and Jesus walked without sin, am I supposed to live sinless as well?

Looking for feedback on this.

 

[Laurina]

What bothers me about v6 is not so much about being saved but the DEMAND to walk like Jesus. And then I immediately think -> wait a minute, I am not Jesus and Jesus walked without sin, am I supposed to live sinless as well?

Looking for feedback on this.

Jesus said we should seek first the kingdom of God.
I suggest prayfully reading Hebrews 12.

 

[Lizbeth]

1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way in which He walked.

I wonder what the apostle means by that, walking as Jesus (God in the flesh) seems impossible to me since Jesus was without sin and I don't.

For context -

1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1John 2:5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

So how to understand v6 ?

Just discussing here, but I believe one aspect is that He walked separated/consecrated unto God. In the world but not OF it. Walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh is another aspect. And He only ever did what He saw the Father doing, so I believe we need to seek God's will in everything too. Sometimes we are trying to serve God in ways that seem right to us, but may not be God's explicit will, or we may really be doing it out of self interest like religious pride or self-righteousness etc. Jesus walked self-lessly.......denying self (which is a way of saying being dead to self, I believe).

 

[Lizbeth]

What bothers me about v6 is not so much about being saved but the DEMAND to walk like Jesus. And then I immediately think -> wait a minute, I am not Jesus and Jesus walked without sin, am I supposed to live sinless as well?

Looking for feedback on this.

It actually may not be a demand per se.....the scripture only says if we say we abide in him we must walk as He walked. So it is giving us the meaning of abiding in Him which is to say walking as He walked. And I take that to mean walking in union with Him, in lockstep with Him. Because as it says elsewhere, we can do nothing apart from Him. Abide in me and I will abide in you.......speaks of a continual abiding. That is our aim and goal I believe.

 

[amigo de christo]

It actually may not be a demand per se.....the scripture only says if we say we abide in him we must walk as He walked. So it is giving us the meaning of abiding in Him which is to say walking as He walked. And I take that to mean walking in union with Him, in lockstep with Him. Because as it says elsewhere, we can do nothing apart from Him. Abide in me and I will abide in you.......speaks of a continual abiding. That is our aim and goal I believe.

What would be the aim , the goal of a truly converted sheep .
TO walk pleasing UNTO GOD . For t hat is the desire HE places Upon our heart .
And without FAITH , oh it is IMPOSSIBLE to please GOD . HE whose faith is in GOD
would BELIEVE GOD . that be the key . yet many seem to rather beleive men
not GOD . And now the worst of it all they have brought upon this generation .
Not only did they choose to heed man over God , they chose to now believe
THERE IS NO NEED TO BELIEVE , TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , as that WHORE sells her love song
of interreligious anti christ dialogue to the nations , the false relgoins and a heap of even christendom .
GUESS who the SHEEP gonna beleive . IF ya said GOD , thus HIS CHRIST , thus HIS WORDS ,
WELL A BIG OL fat AMEN TO YA SISTER . Eve fell for that lie and her husband did eat of her hand .
JESUS overcame it . AND that JESUS said to even the jews
IF YE believe NOT that I AM HE then ye shall DIE in your sins .
NOW WHO ya think I AM gonna beleive , JESUS or todays lovey do men who surely do DENY HIS gospel .
ITS JESUS for the sheep sister . ITS JESUS for the sheep . FOR WE BELIEVE GOD
and HE TESTIFIED ON THE SON .

 

[Episkopos]

What bothers me about v6 is not so much about being saved but the DEMAND to walk like Jesus. And then I immediately think -> wait a minute, I am not Jesus and Jesus walked without sin, am I supposed to live sinless as well?

Looking for feedback on this.

It's like the fruit of the Spirit. Where the Spirit is at work there is evidence. Evidence of an unseen world....evidence of things not seen. So this is about the evidence. If we are filled with the Spirit the evidence will be love, peace, joy....and POWER to fulfill what God wants from us.

Abiding in Christ is the same. If we abide in Christ then the evidence should be that we have the same walk as Jesus...according to power. That is IF we are actually abiding in Christ. The "ought" in the verse doesn't mean we need to try doing what we can't do from ourselves, no....it means that we will only be able to walk as Jesus walked IF we abide in Him. The verse is not about trying to walk as Jesus did....we OWE the Lord to go to Him and enter into Him to be where He is. Holiness is about location. To be found in Him. In Him is no sin.

Grace is about POWER to walk as Jesus walked (in its full measure only, not just as an initial sample as a free gift)..Just like the 10 lepers most don't go back to Jesus after their initial healing. Only one did.

 

[Episkopos]

It actually may not be a demand per se.....the scripture only says if we say we abide in him we must walk as He walked.

It's only a demand when we claim to abide in Him. The proof is in the walking. The ministers who are cast away were lawless. They were sinners who claimed to abide in Christ....when they didn't...making them liars and lawless. They tried defending themselves by the things they thought they did for Jesus. But that's when He says...I never knew you. Now that is true of about 99% of believers. Not the claiming, but the abiding. Many believers are honest and claim nothing of the higher walk in their testimony. But many Protestants have been indoctrinated to make false claims. People get samples and have some sort of experience with a residue of God's presence....but they never GO TO GOD to know Him where He is......in holiness. They never visit the Lord, they rely only on the visitations from Him that they may or may not have experienced.

So it is giving us the meaning of abiding in Him which is to say walking as He walked. And I take that to mean walking in union with Him, in lockstep with Him. Because as it says elsewhere, we can do nothing apart from Him. Abide in me and I will abide in you.......speaks of a continual abiding. That is our aim and goal I believe.

At least in theory, I suppose. Honesty is more important than encounter when it comes to God. We are not to be the ones doing the elevating. And even if we are elevated for a time...that doesn't guarantee a good outcome for us. The fear of the Lord is still the beginning of wisdom. It's not about agreeing with statements, it's about being DOERS of the word and not just hearers of, and agreeing with, the word.

 

[Episkopos]

The man who claims to abide in Christ but who doesn't....is called a liar and a thief.....trying to enter into the kingdom by some other way than through the door who is Christ. Zechariah's flying scroll (Zech 5) is a universal warning against false naming and claiming and stealing away the things of God for oneself.

Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

 

[Marvelloustime]

What would be the aim , the goal of a truly converted sheep .
TO walk pleasing UNTO GOD . For t hat is the desire HE places Upon our heart .
And without FAITH , oh it is IMPOSSIBLE to please GOD . HE whose faith is in GOD
would BELIEVE GOD . that be the key . yet many seem to rather beleive men
not GOD . And now the worst of it all they have brought upon this generation .
Not only did they choose to heed man over God , they chose to now believe
THERE IS NO NEED TO BELIEVE , TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , as that WHORE sells her love song
of interreligious anti christ dialogue to the nations , the false relgoins and a heap of even christendom .
GUESS who the SHEEP gonna beleive . IF ya said GOD , thus HIS CHRIST , thus HIS WORDS ,
WELL A BIG OL fat AMEN TO YA SISTER . Eve fell for that lie and her husband did eat of her hand .
JESUS overcame it . AND that JESUS said to even the jews
IF YE believe NOT that I AM HE then ye shall DIE in your sins .
NOW WHO ya think I AM gonna beleive , JESUS or todays lovey do men who surely do DENY HIS gospel .
ITS JESUS for the sheep sister . ITS JESUS for the sheep . FOR WE BELIEVE GOD
and HE TESTIFIED ON THE SON .

@amigo de christo

 

[Nathaniel]

What bothers me about v6 is not so much about being saved but the DEMAND to walk like Jesus. And then I immediately think -> wait a minute, I am not Jesus and Jesus walked without sin, am I supposed to live sinless as well?

Looking for feedback on this.

If not sinless, what do you propose? Sinful?
Christ commanded on at least two separate occasions "Go and sin no more" Once with a warning, " Lest something worse happen to you." Sinless perfection, or total sanctification is absolutely the goal, but unless I am woefully mistaken, Christ was the only one who has ever lived a sinless life.

Christ told Peter "He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean..."
The implication being, walk in the newness of life in which we have been given. We have been washed in His precious blood, and are now free to walk in His Holy Spirit.

"If we walk in the Spirit we will not fulfill the deeds of the flesh." This is a true statement.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves." Is also a true statement.

There are so many scriptures related to this topic, it would truly be difficult to list them all.

How did Christ walk with God? What was the example that He set for us? If we can answer this, then we know how we ought to be walking. Can we expect to do so with the same level of precision and success? Not all the time, no. Our walk with Christ will be a difficult one, good days, horrible days, victorious days, and days of defeat so awful that we will fall upon our faces in sorrow.

"The righteous falls seven times but YHVH lifts him up."

Sin and death have been conquered.

"We have this treasure in an earthly vessel."

This earthly vessel must be nailed to the cross daily.

Walking with Christ does indeed mean to walk in victory over sin. But that victory belongs to Christ alone.

If you have a concordance, look up the word "walk" in the New Testament. I think you will find the answers you are searching for.