25 reasons why you should abandon Premillennialism

[Timtofly]

Your understanding of Zechariah 14 is as mistaken as your understanding of Revelation 20. You refuse to correlate them because you cannot.

Revelation 20 is not about the Second Coming. Zechariah 14 is about the Second Coming. You cannot correlate Revelation 20 with anything either evidently.

Revelation 20 is about the Day of the Lord, and that correlates with every Scripture on the Day of the Lord.

Even Peter expresses the point that the Day of the Lord is coming, not a past event. The Second Coming has to happen first. Keep trying to disprove the timing of the Day of the Lord.

If I am mistaken, how can you prove that, as you don't really point out anything that is exactly wrong?

And once again you dismiss there are people on the earth after the Second Coming, and change the subject.

You cannot even admit that Zechariah 14 and Revelation 6 are about the same Second Coming event.

 

[WPM]

Revelation 20 is not about the Second Coming. Zechariah 14 is about the Second Coming. You cannot correlate Revelation 20 with anything either evidently.

Revelation 20 is about the Day of the Lord, and that correlates with every Scripture on the Day of the Lord.

Even Peter expresses the point that the Day of the Lord is coming, not a past event. The Second Coming has to happen first. Keep trying to disprove the timing of the Day of the Lord.

If I am mistaken, how can you prove that, as you don't really point out anything that is exactly wrong?

And once again you dismiss there are people on the earth after the Second Coming, and change the subject.

You cannot even admit that Zechariah 14 and Revelation 6 are about the same Second Coming event.

Multiple Scripture shows us that the second coming is the end. You will not accept that. Revelation 19 demolishes your claims. No wicked survive there to corrupt the new earth. It is the end! Premillennialists have no answer to the climactic detail of “the day of the Lord” passages like 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Peter 3 in Scripture. To allow their beliefs, they normally reject the idea that “the day of the Lord” is a single day in time, and argue it is a literal 1000 years. They do this with several climactic passages. The first problem is: Scripture does not teach that. The second problem is: they fail to see that any “day” in Scripture, regardless of how long, is always marked for its duration by the detail attributed to it. In this case, their supposed future millennium is a day of ongoing destruction and desolation. What they also miss is that the day of the Lord “arrives as a thief in the night” (2 Peter 3:10) and brings "sudden destruction" from His appearance (1 Thessalonians 5:3), whereupon, the wicked "shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:3). This exposes their narrow-minded approach to the sacred text.

 

[Timtofly]

Multiple Scripture shows us that the second coming is the end. You will not accept that. Revelation 19 demolishes your claims. No wicked survive there to corrupt the new earth. It is the end! Premillennialists have no answer to the climactic detail of “the day of the Lord” passages like 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Peter 3 in Scripture. To allow their beliefs, they normally reject the idea that “the day of the Lord” is a single day in time, and argue it is a literal 1000 years. They do this with several climactic passages. The first problem is: Scripture does not teach that. The second problem is: they fail to see that any “day” in Scripture, regardless of how long, is always marked for its duration by the detail attributed to it. In this case, their supposed future millennium is a day of ongoing destruction and desolation. What they also miss is that the day of the Lord “arrives as a thief in the night” (2 Peter 3:10) and brings "sudden destruction" from His appearance (1 Thessalonians 5:3), whereupon, the wicked "shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:3). This exposes their narrow-minded approach to the sacred text.

It is not those killed that live on the earth. It is the final harvest symbolized by those on white horses with Jesus who live on the earth during the Day of the Lord.

The battle is not symbolically on the earth. The battle is literally on the the earth. Those killed are not symbolically killed. They are literally dead. They will not have an opportunity to live again until after the Day of the Lord. Those killed at Armageddon are just a small part of the rest of the dead. They wait in death, until death is emptied after the Day of the Lord.

Your recap theory is of human imagination and totally against the Word of God. That is why you strive so hard to deny God's Word. You deny Satan is defeated at Armageddon, bound, and locked in the pit during the Day of the Lord. You deny the FP and beast are cast into the LOF a thousand years before Satan is released from the pit. You claim a human theory that goes against the explicit writing John gave us. Because another human gave us some chapter divisions, you think that was inspired to allow you to change around the chronological order any way you like. Because John did not reiterate to allow for future chapter divisions, you refuse to see what John actually did write. Then you call John's inspired writings "a frayed thread".

One does not need chapter divisions to interpret Scripture properly. One just needs to read the text John wrote. Chapters and verses help us locate text easier. They are not to be used to deny and make up false accusations about God's Word.

The Day of the Lord is the thousand year reign on earth with the Lord. The GWT is revealed in Revelation 6, way before Revelation 19 happens. The Lord God is sitting on that throne. They can see the face at that point when heaven is dissolved and rolled back as a scroll.

"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

That is not just the appearance of the Lamb. The GWT can be seen. Do you think the GWT will be part of 2 Peter 3:7-14? Just because it is not explicitly mentioned, would not mean it will not be seen. If you think the GWT can be implied in 2 Peter 3, how can you deny an explicit mention in the 6th Seal prior to even the 7th Seal being opened?

The first verse after describing a newly restored earth in Isaiah 65, Isaiah 66:1 describes the GWT. This is in conjunction to current heaven and earth, and has been a reality since creation.

"Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

That is not God sitting on a recliner with His feet resting on a separate ottoman. This verse is describing a throne that has the base on the earth and reaches up into the firmament. God is saying that no one on earth can build a structure to place the GWT in.

John was not saying the GWT popped into existence at the very end. The GWT has been in creation since the foundation of the world. Why would you interpret Scripture as if the GWT only existed at the very end of time? We are told it is not even part of creation, but can be. The Lord God is not part of creation, but can exist within creation. God on the GWT can be seen several places in the OT. 1 Kings 22:19

"And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left."

2 Chronicles 18:18

"Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left."

Job 26:7-10

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them. He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it. He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end."

Psalms 9:7

"But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment."

Psalms 47:8

"God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness."

Isaiah 6:1

"In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple."

Lamentations 5:19

"Thou, O LORD, remainest for ever; thy throne from generation to generation."

 

[WPM]

It is not those killed that live on the earth. It is the final harvest symbolized by those on white horses with Jesus who live on the earth during the Day of the Lord.

The battle is not symbolically on the earth. The battle is literally on the the earth. Those killed are not symbolically killed. They are literally dead. They will not have an opportunity to live again until after the Day of the Lord. Those killed at Armageddon are just a small part of the rest of the dead. They wait in death, until death is emptied after the Day of the Lord.

Your recap theory is of human imagination and totally against the Word of God. That is why you strive so hard to deny God's Word. You deny Satan is defeated at Armageddon, bound, and locked in the pit during the Day of the Lord. You deny the FP and beast are cast into the LOF a thousand years before Satan is released from the pit. You claim a human theory that goes against the explicit writing John gave us. Because another human gave us some chapter divisions, you think that was inspired to allow you to change around the chronological order any way you like. Because John did not reiterate to allow for future chapter divisions, you refuse to see what John actually did write. Then you call John's inspired writings "a frayed thread".

One does not need chapter divisions to interpret Scripture properly. One just needs to read the text John wrote. Chapters and verses help us locate text easier. They are not to be used to deny and make up false accusations about God's Word.

The Day of the Lord is the thousand year reign on earth with the Lord. The GWT is revealed in Revelation 6, way before Revelation 19 happens. The Lord God is sitting on that throne. They can see the face at that point when heaven is dissolved and rolled back as a scroll.

"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

That is not just the appearance of the Lamb. The GWT can be seen. Do you think the GWT will be part of 2 Peter 3:7-14? Just because it is not explicitly mentioned, would not mean it will not be seen. If you think the GWT can be implied in 2 Peter 3, how can you deny an explicit mention in the 6th Seal prior to even the 7th Seal being opened?

The first verse after describing a newly restored earth in Isaiah 65, Isaiah 66:1 describes the GWT. This is in conjunction to current heaven and earth, and has been a reality since creation.

"Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

That is not God sitting on a recliner with His feet resting on a separate ottoman. This verse is describing a throne that has the base on the earth and reaches up into the firmament. God is saying that no one on earth can build a structure to place the GWT in.

John was not saying the GWT popped into existence at the very end. The GWT has been in creation since the foundation of the world. Why would you interpret Scripture as if the GWT only existed at the very end of time? We are told it is not even part of creation, but can be. The Lord God is not part of creation, but can exist within creation. God on the GWT can be seen several places in the OT. 1 Kings 22:19

"And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left."

2 Chronicles 18:18

"Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left."

Job 26:7-10

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them. He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it. He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end."

Psalms 9:7

"But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment."

Psalms 47:8

"God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness."

Isaiah 6:1

"In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple."

Lamentations 5:19

"Thou, O LORD, remainest for ever; thy throne from generation to generation."

Who then are these billions of satanists that overrun your supposed future millennium? Obviously, they are the greatest bunch of hard-hearted religious hypocrites that have ever lived. After all, they supposedly sat under the righteous of Christ reign of Christ for 1000 years and then at the first sight of Satan rebel en-masse, rejecting Jesus and embracing Satan.

 

[Timtofly]

Who then are these billions of satanists that overrun your supposed future millennium? Obviously, they are the greatest bunch of hard-hearted religious hypocrites that have ever lived. After all, they supposedly sat under the righteous of Christ reign of Christ for 1000 years and then at the first sight of Satan rebel en-masse, rejecting Jesus and embracing Satan.

No. The Millennium does not even start out with billions of humans. You have them all destroyed before the Millennium starts. Why do you keep insinuating that not a single human can be born during this 1,000 year period?

If the Second Coming happens tomorrow, when did these billions get consumed by fire who all attacked the camp of the saints around the beloved city, after marching across the whole breadth of the earth from the 4 quarters of the earth?

"Deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, and they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city."

Where do you get your several billion human army?

 

[WPM]

No. The Millennium does not even start out with billions of humans. You have them all destroyed before the Millennium starts. Why do you keep insinuating that not a single human can be born during this 1,000 year period?

If the Second Coming happens tomorrow, when did these billions get consumed by fire who all attacked the camp of the saints around the beloved city, after marching across the whole breadth of the earth from the 4 quarters of the earth?

"Deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, and they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city."

Where do you get your several billion human army?

Because Rev 20 is now. It forbids your position. Your argument does not add up. Who are they then as the sand of the sea? Why will you not explain? Because it exposes your teaching.

 

[Timtofly]

Because Rev 20 is now. It forbids your position. Your argument does not add up. Who are they then as the sand of the sea? Why will you not explain? Because it exposes your teaching.

You have literally no proof the Day of the Lord is currently in process.

 

[WPM]

You have literally no proof the Day of the Lord is currently in process.

Once again, when did i say that? You have a comprehension issue. You really have a problem understanding what people believe and write. You are so blinkered with your own teaching.

 

[Timtofly]

Once again, when did i say that? You have a comprehension issue. You really have a problem understanding what people believe and write. You are so blinkered with your own teaching.

You say Revelation 20 is currently happening. Revelation 20 is the Day of the Lord.

Peter told you not to be ignorant concerning the Day of the Lord is as a thousand years.

The Day of the Lord is not as a 24 hours.

You tell people not to attack you, then you call them blinkered.

I point out Scripture and all you have is your 25 opinions why premil is wrong. So stop giving your opinions, and offer some proof.


Did Peter say in 2 Peter 3 that the Day of the Lord is as a thousand years? Think about the wording carefully so you cannot accuse me of what you have been doing yourself.

David explained that a thousand years in God’s perspective is but as yesterday and a watch in the night. Quote the verse if you think that is just my opinion. David's focus was on a thousand year time frame. Peter's focus was on the Day of the Lord, not your opinion of how days work. John leaves out all speculation, even though you keep telling yourself Revelation is the most highly symbolic book and imply it is hard to interpret. So when John literally expresses a thousand year period in two seperate and unrelated accounts, one about Satan and one about a resurrection, you think John is being too symbolic instead of direct and to the point.

The symbolic term was given in 2 Peter 3, and even in relation to a thousand year period. The Day of the Lord is the symbolism. John gives us the exact time frame in years, but does not call this the Day of the Lord in the text, because one should understand the literal implication of a thousand years is representing what Peter addressed as the Day of the Lord. Scripture interpreting Scripture.

Not you interpreting Revelation 20 as you see fit and saying that 1,000 years represents your own human imagination.

Since the Day of the Lord as Peter describes it is coming at the Second Coming what other than the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20, should we apply that Day of the Lord to? Is there a verse in Scripture that explicitly states any 24 hour period that we could include in this topic? That would symbolize a 1,000 year period from God's perspective?

Can we define any 24 hour period as being the Thousand years of the Lord?

Did you know that God is longsuffering, and has allowed for a thousand years to go by after the Second Coming for Jesus to reign as King on the earth, so the earth can be subdued? None of your 25 points seems to even acknowledge God's perspective.

Is it your opinion that God has been more patient over the last 2 millennia than He would be over the thousand years mentioned after the Second Coming in His book of Revelation? Do you think the term "last days" as seen in the NT was talking about just two literal 24 hour days of a certain week in the first century, or could that term be interpreted as a longer period of time, even several millennia?

Where in Scripture can you explicitly find a verse that describes your opinion of a literal last 24 hour day, and not contradict any context? I don't know if Jerusalem has accomplished an entire day or millennia of sitting there desolate to fulfill Scripture. But being desolate is not implied in Revelation 20, as humanity still thrives during this time frame. But it would seem that you cannot even prove from Scripture these 25 accusations you bring up, but they certainly don't define the Scriptural view of Premil. You seem to find opinions and then argue your own opinion against their opinions.

 

[WPM]

You say Revelation 20 is currently happening. Revelation 20 is the Day of the Lord.

Peter told you not to be ignorant concerning the Day of the Lord is as a thousand years.

The Day of the Lord is not as a 24 hours.

You tell people not to attack you, then you call them blinkered.

I point out Scripture and all you have is your 25 opinions why premil is wrong. So stop giving your opinions, and offer some proof.


Did Peter say in 2 Peter 3 that the Day of the Lord is as a thousand years? Think about the wording carefully so you cannot accuse me of what you have been doing yourself.

David explained that a thousand years in God’s perspective is but as yesterday and a watch in the night. Quote the verse if you think that is just my opinion. David's focus was on a thousand year time frame. Peter's focus was on the Day of the Lord, not your opinion of how days work. John leaves out all speculation, even though you keep telling yourself Revelation is the most highly symbolic book and imply it is hard to interpret. So when John literally expresses a thousand year period in two seperate and unrelated accounts, one about Satan and one about a resurrection, you think John is being too symbolic instead of direct and to the point.

The symbolic term was given in 2 Peter 3, and even in relation to a thousand year period. The Day of the Lord is the symbolism. John gives us the exact time frame in years, but does not call this the Day of the Lord in the text, because one should understand the literal implication of a thousand years is representing what Peter addressed as the Day of the Lord. Scripture interpreting Scripture.

Not you interpreting Revelation 20 as you see fit and saying that 1,000 years represents your own human imagination.

Since the Day of the Lord as Peter describes it is coming at the Second Coming what other than the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20, should we apply that Day of the Lord to? Is there a verse in Scripture that explicitly states any 24 hour period that we could include in this topic? That would symbolize a 1,000 year period from God's perspective?

Can we define any 24 hour period as being the Thousand years of the Lord?

Did you know that God is longsuffering, and has allowed for a thousand years to go by after the Second Coming for Jesus to reign as King on the earth, so the earth can be subdued? None of your 25 points seems to even acknowledge God's perspective.

Is it your opinion that God has been more patient over the last 2 millennia than He would be over the thousand years mentioned after the Second Coming in His book of Revelation? Do you think the term "last days" as seen in the NT was talking about just two literal 24 hour days of a certain week in the first century, or could that term be interpreted as a longer period of time, even several millennia?

Where in Scripture can you explicitly find a verse that describes your opinion of a literal last 24 hour day, and not contradict any context? I don't know if Jerusalem has accomplished an entire day or millennia of sitting there desolate to fulfill Scripture. But being desolate is not implied in Revelation 20, as humanity still thrives during this time frame. But it would seem that you cannot even prove from Scripture these 25 accusations you bring up, but they certainly don't define the Scriptural view of Premil. You seem to find opinions and then argue your own opinion against their opinions.

You invent your own theology and then examine Amillennialism by those same beliefs. That is ridiculous! That is not the way it works. That shows how bereft you are of arguments. Amil can speak for itself. Your problem is: you cannot address the counter arguments. That is a major weakness in your position. That is why you have to view it through the lens of Premil. It is impossible engaging with you.

• Revelation 20 is NOT the day of the Lord as you claim. You cannot even show that. You think by keeping repeating an opinion that it will somehow make it a fact. No. That is not the way it works.
• Nowhere in 2 Peter 3 or Revelation 20 does it say that the day of the Lord is one thousand years. That is your own invention. You are adding unto Scripture again. You're trying to force a round peg into a square hole. However, it will not go.

There it is absolutely nothing here to do with a future age, but time in the here-and-now. This text simply indicates the briefness of time with God. 2 Peter 3:8 does not in any way indicate a future earthly millennium kingdom anywhere in this reading. In fact, Peter is simply reminding the end-time scoffers that time is absolutely nothing to the king of glory; He ultimately sits outside of time in the realm of eternity. Time is but a blink to His infinite mind and to the eternal state. God is “from everlasting” (Habakkuk 1:12, Psalm 93:2). This isn't rocket science. It is simple, accurate and contextual.

There is no duration of time in between the promise and the fulfillment that has any bearing upon the plan of God, whether it is one day, one week, one year, or one thousand years. God is never late. His purpose cannot be thwarted. No one can curtail it. No one can delay it. It will happen right on time. Why is that? Because He calls the shots and He exists outside of time.

 

[Timtofly]

You invent your own theology and then examine Amillennialism by those same beliefs. That is ridiculous! That is not the way it works. That shows how bereft you are of arguments. Amil can speak for itself. Your problem is: you cannot address the counter arguments. That is a major weakness in your position. That is why you have to view it through the lens of Premil. It is impossible engaging with you.

• Revelation 20 is NOT the day of the Lord as you claim. You cannot even show that. You think by keeping repeating an opinion that it will somehow make it a fact. No. That is not the way it works.
• Nowhere in 2 Peter 3 or Revelation 20 does it say that the day of the Lord is one thousand years. That is your own invention. You are adding unto Scripture again. You're trying to force a round peg into a square hole. However, it will not go.

There it is absolutely nothing here to do with a future age, but time in the here-and-now. This text simply indicates the briefness of time with God. 2 Peter 3:8 does not in any way indicate a future earthly millennium kingdom anywhere in this reading. In fact, Peter is simply reminding the end-time scoffers that time is absolutely nothing to the king of glory; He ultimately sits outside of time in the realm of eternity. Time is but a blink to His infinite mind and to the eternal state. God is “from everlasting” (Habakkuk 1:12, Psalm 93:2). This isn't rocket science. It is simple, accurate and contextual.

There is no duration of time in between the promise and the fulfillment that has any bearing upon the plan of God, whether it is one day, one week, one year, or one thousand years. God is never late. His purpose cannot be thwarted. No one can curtail it. No one can delay it. It will happen right on time. Why is that? Because He calls the shots and He exists outside of time.

2 Peter 3 does say the Day of the Lord is a future event. Peter also directly connects the Day of the Lord as a thousand years.

That is Scripture you ignore. That is not my opinion.

You concoct this human theory of recapitulation and add it to God's Word. That is your human opinion.

If Peter is not talking about the Second Coming then, is Peter referring to an event about the birth of Jesus coming as a thief in the night?

You keep insisting God cannot do certain things. Are you more powerful than God, or just doubting what can or cannot happen in the future.

Is Peter explaining God outside of time in these verses, or His longsuffering with sin and death?

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation."

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

 

[WPM]

2 Peter 3 does say the Day of the Lord is a future event. Peter also directly connects the Day of the Lord as a thousand years.

That is Scripture you ignore. That is not my opinion.

You concoct this human theory of recapitulation and add it to God's Word. That is your human opinion.

If Peter is not talking about the Second Coming then, is Peter referring to an event about the birth of Jesus coming as a thief in the night?

You keep insisting God cannot do certain things. Are you more powerful than God, or just doubting what can or cannot happen in the future.

Is Peter explaining God outside of time in these verses, or His longsuffering with sin and death?

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation."

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Why do you always twist what people write? Do you have a peace about that? The Holy Spirit does not do that!

• Amils believe the day of the Lord is a future event. You know that, yet you continue to say the opposite. That is lies.
• Amils believe Revelation 20 has been ongoing since the first resurrection of Christ. It ends with Christ coming on His great white throne on the day of the Lord to judge mankind.

 

[WPM]

2 Peter 3 does say the Day of the Lord is a future event. Peter also directly connects the Day of the Lord as a thousand years.

That is Scripture you ignore. That is not my opinion.

You concoct this human theory of recapitulation and add it to God's Word. That is your human opinion.

If Peter is not talking about the Second Coming then, is Peter referring to an event about the birth of Jesus coming as a thief in the night?

You keep insisting God cannot do certain things. Are you more powerful than God, or just doubting what can or cannot happen in the future.

Is Peter explaining God outside of time in these verses, or His longsuffering with sin and death?

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation."

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

• Amils believe the day of the Lord is a future event. You know that, yet you continue to say the opposite. That is lies.
• Amils believe Revelation 20 has been ongoing since the first resurrection of Christ. It ends with Christ coming on His great white throne on the day of the Lord to judge mankind.

 

[Timtofly]

Why do you always twist what people write? Do you have a peace about that? The Holy Spirit does not do that!

• Amils believe the day of the Lord is a future event. You know that, yet you continue to say the opposite. That is lies.
• Amils believe Revelation 20 has been ongoing since the first resurrection of Christ. It ends with Christ coming on His great white throne on the day of the Lord to judge mankind.

You did not define the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord with all the promises of Daniel 9:24.

 

[WPM]

You did not define the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord with all the promises of Daniel 9:24.

The day of the Lord is the day that Jesus Christ returns to judge mankind.

 

[Timtofly]

The day of the Lord is the day that Jesus Christ returns to judge mankind.

So it is plausible that judgment could last for an indefinite period of time, seeing as how you take all things as symbolic instead of literal?

 

[WPM]

So it is plausible that judgment could last for an indefinite period of time, seeing as how you take all things as symbolic instead of literal?

Time comes to an end when He comes. It shall be no more.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

There is clearly a major dilemma here for you those who take Revelation to be a literal chronological unfolding of last day events. They must surely concede, if they are going to be consistent with their view that everything after Revelation 11 (which also refers to the seventh trumpet) is in the realm of eternity and the after-life. After all Revelation 10 plainly records that with this particular event “there should be time no longer.” For those who would lightly dismiss this important narrative as anything other than a magnificent picture of the Lord Jesus Christ and His glorious second coming, they do foolishly ignore the great wealth of explicit and consistent end-time teaching on this subject and divorce the undoubted harmony of this chapter from the rest of New Testament prophetic teaching.

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist, Pretribulationist or Historist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong climactic word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

This teaches us that time ceases to exist at the return of Christ. Time reaches its fullness. History itself is completed. That is why it adds “the mystery of God should be finished.” These are linked together in their fulfillment. This makes sense. We are now into eternity.

 

[Timtofly]

Time comes to an end when He comes. It shall be no more.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

There is clearly a major dilemma here for you those who take Revelation to be a literal chronological unfolding of last day events. They must surely concede, if they are going to be consistent with their view that everything after Revelation 11 (which also refers to the seventh trumpet) is in the realm of eternity and the after-life. After all Revelation 10 plainly records that with this particular event “there should be time no longer.” For those who would lightly dismiss this important narrative as anything other than a magnificent picture of the Lord Jesus Christ and His glorious second coming, they do foolishly ignore the great wealth of explicit and consistent end-time teaching on this subject and divorce the undoubted harmony of this chapter from the rest of New Testament prophetic teaching.

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist, Pretribulationist or Historist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong climactic word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

This teaches us that time ceases to exist at the return of Christ. Time reaches its fullness. History itself is completed. That is why it adds “the mystery of God should be finished.” These are linked together in their fulfillment. This makes sense. We are now into eternity.

The Second Coming is at the 6th Seal prior to the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal is prior to the First Trumpet. Read Revelation 8.

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

 

[WPM]

The Second Coming is at the 6th Seal prior to the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal is prior to the First Trumpet. Read Revelation 8.

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

Not true. That is all you have: your faulty chronological approach to Revelation. Take that away, and you have nothing.

 

[Timtofly]

Not true. That is all you have: your faulty chronological approach to Revelation. Take that away, and you have nothing.

First of all it is not mine. It is God's Word. But you seem ok with all the twist and turns you add to God's Word. You cannot even prove your objection.

The 6th Seal reads the same as the Olivet Discourse, and 2 Peter 3. They may as well be the 2nd and 3rd versions of the Olivet Discourse along with Matthew and Mark.