69,195 reasons I am NOT a christian Zionist

[LoveYeshua]

Genocide.
That's like calling Trump a nazi.
Why do we do this?
Why do we minimize terrible ideas by placing the title on persons/governments that are NOT engaging in atrocious acts?

Genocide means a particular race is being targeted for extinction.
This is not the same as attacking a country.
It Italy was to be attacked tomorrow....those to die would be Italian.
Does that mean the attacker wants to practice genocide on Italians?
No.


Same for Gaza.
Israel is DEFENDING itself.
If the attackers happen to be Palestinians...so be it.

And what is a Palestinian anyway?
Was there ever a Palestinian state?
No.

Some palistinians were living on this land but it was NOT A STATE.

I believe it was a big mistake for Israel to heed England and keep them and provide a place for them.
They should have been banned from the land that Israel legally fought for and won in 1947.



Sounds like YOU are doing what some on this thread are doing:
Spreading unfounded fear.

Now just transfer what you're doing to the proper target....
Jews are not your enemy...
Islam is your enemy.


Please give us the statistics of how many Palestinians there were before the WAR and After.
If you're right,,,,most will have had to be killed, and purposefully so...not because they were in the way of a bomb.

When this started Israel dropped leaflets warning that bombs were coming and to flee to the south.
Sounds anththetical to wanting to kill off a particular race of people.



So dramatic.

Where were YOU when bombs fell every day on Israel and SCHOOL CHILDREN on school buses were the targets of bombs?

Perhaps there is more hatred of Jews here than fear of Muslims....your true enemies.

I think Jesus said that we are to hate NO ONE.
He also said to be wise.

Be wise.

just read the news and see the numbers and photos all is in the news, do not forget the prophecy about Gaza read that too its in your bible it is an end time prophecy and its being fulfilled as we speak. The end is near.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Good point..
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Palestinian Christians are going through difficult time.
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'5 things to know about Israel's oppression of Christian Palestinians.'
- Institute for Middle East Understanding. (imeu.org)

yet Christians and Muslims are living in comparative peace as citizens in Israel, so what is different about Gaza? Israel is the symptom, Hamas is the root cause.

 

[David in NJ]

David
You're all over the place.
Islam is a violent religion.
Jews are killing no one but those that are destroying their right to live a peaceful life.
What if Canada dropped bombs on Norther NY every now and then.
Should NY be allowed to respond or not?

And the crusades?
Now Catholics also want to kill everyone.
If it were not for the crusades you and I would be Muslim right now and speaking Arabic.
Let's study a little history.

And because the clergy of a denomination made a mistake at some point in a 2 thousand year history is not the reason that denomination should be condemned.

Protestants have burned people alive and drowned many women that were believed to be witches/demon possessed.

So..
maybe we should just abolish all religion?

Shariah law is the violent religion

No matter what your nationalty, if you follow shariah law you follow a violent religion.

Jews are killing no one but those that are destroying their right to live a peaceful life.

I have ALWAYS been in support of Israel to defend their citizens from being bombed daily and attacked.

But make no mistake, Israel of the flesh does murder and it will get worse = Revelation 11:7-10

7When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified. 9For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb. 10And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them and celebrate and send one another gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them.

Israel of the flesh has the technology for the Mark of the Beast = and they will make it law, even if they do it covertly by using the USA.

Believe/Trust the Prophecy of MESSIAH
“I do not receive honor from men. But I know you(Israel of the flesh), that you do not have the love of God in you.
I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?
Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Believe the words spoken by the Ruach HaKodesh thru the Hebrew Apostle Paul - 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16

For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Judea that are in Christ Jesus. You suffered from your own countrymen the very things they suffered from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets and drove us out as well. They are displeasing to God and hostile to all men, hindering us from telling the Gentiles how they may be saved. As a result, they continue to heap up their sins to full capacity; the utmost wrath has come upon them.

Believe the LORD - Matthew 23:37-39
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

 

[Pathfinder789]

yet Christians and Muslims are living in comparative peace as citizens in Israel, so what is different about Gaza? Israel is the symptom, Hamas is the root cause.

My post is about Christian Palestinians.
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Did you read..the article( I suggested? )..on my post?
- '5 things to know about Israel's oppression of Christian Palestinians.'
Institute for Middle East Understanding (imeu.org).

 

[brightmorningstar]

My post is about Christian Palestinians.
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Did you read..the article( I suggested? )..on my post?
- '5 things to know about Israel's oppression of Christian Palestinians.'
Institute for Middle East Understanding (imeu.org).

Seriously, who do you think these people imeu are? As I said, it depends on whom one believes, and having not been to Israel or Gaza or West Bank, I tend to be very careful.
Have you read the website? From their website:
We operate from anti-racist principles and strongly reject all forms of bigotry and hatred, including anti-Palestinian racism, Islamophobia, antisemitism, anti-Black racism, anti-LGBTQI+ racism, etc.

As I said, since Arab Christians live as citizens in Israel, so the issue is Gaza. In the West Bank there are Israeli and Palestinian businesses alongside each other.

 

[GodsGrace]

Shariah law is the violent religion

David
Shariah Law is not a religion.
It is found WITHIN a religion and that religion is ISLAM.

No matter what your nationalty, if you follow shariah law you follow a violent religion.

Agreed then that Islam is a violent religion.
You could get killed by disagreeing with it.

I have ALWAYS been in support of Israel to defend their citizens from being bombed daily and attacked.

But make no mistake, Israel of the flesh does murder and it will get worse = Revelation 11:7-10

And maybe it should get worse.
They say things get worse before they get better.
Maybe one day no more bombs will be dropping on Israel.
Maybe a father will leave for work and a child will leave for school and the probability will be that they return home that evening.
Maybe it will no longer be necessary for almost every citizen to be trained militarily.

7When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified. 9For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb. 10And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them and celebrate and send one another gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them.

Israel of the flesh has the technology for the Mark of the Beast = and they will make it law, even if they do it covertly by using the USA.

Believe/Trust the Prophecy of MESSIAH
“I do not receive honor from men. But I know you(Israel of the flesh), that you do not have the love of God in you.
I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?
Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Believe the words spoken by the Ruach HaKodesh thru the Hebrew Apostle Paul - 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16

For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Judea that are in Christ Jesus. You suffered from your own countrymen the very things they suffered from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets and drove us out as well. They are displeasing to God and hostile to all men, hindering us from telling the Gentiles how they may be saved. As a result, they continue to heap up their sins to full capacity; the utmost wrath has come upon them.

Believe the LORD - Matthew 23:37-39
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Well, when the bombs are falling...
most are running to shelters and not reading scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Always make sure you SEE that i said: "Israel has the right to defend themselves"

If you remove shariah law, then you have no basis to declare jews & christians, as infidels worthy of death.

The Talmud and the OT also support the death of gentiles.

Always REST on the WORD of GOD for sound judgment on these matters.

This is why the US Constitution is Essential to Freedom = It came from the words of GOD
All men created equal
Freedom of Speech and to address the government for grievances/correction.
Freedom of religion = peaceful = Calling for the death of infidels/jews/christians is TERRORISM
Right to bear arms = we have the right to defend liberty and justice when they come to murder you and your family
Right to assembly
Right to speedy hearing - as opposed to being incarcerated for months and years with no time limit

SEE the difference???

A muslim can worship how they believe WITHOUT shariah law in the USA and without terroristic activities

 

[Pathfinder789]

since Arab Christians live as citizens in Israel, so the issue is Gaza.

Christian persecution in Israel..
including the West Bank and Gaza.
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The Voice of Martyrs
- persecution.com

 

[David in NJ]

Christian persecution in Israel..
including the West Bank and Gaza.
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The Voice of Martyrs
- persecution.com

i support 'The Voice of the Martyrs'

The question then is this: Do Gazan 'christians' agree to the death of Israel, the continued bombing of Israel?

If yes, then they are not authentic christians.

Remember that i used the word "IF"

GOOD NEWS = God knows our hearts = HE knows who belongs to HIM

And REMEMBER, the Land of Israel belongs to GOD, as do the Jewish people = Romans chapters 9, 10 & 11

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[Debp]

As I said, since Arab Christians live as citizens in Israel, so the issue is Gaza. In the West Bank there are Israeli and Palestinian businesses alongside each other.

I've seen interviews of Arab Muslims with shops, etc, living under Israeli rule. They are very satisfied with their life in Israel and have no desire to be in "Palestine."

 

[Anchorite]

Luke 21

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Debp]

Arab Muslim who supports Israel.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Arab and Jewish believers

 

[quietthinker]

69,195 reasons I am NOT a christian Zionist​

You seem fairly certain. Are you sure you haven't missed at least 3 more reasons?

 

[quietthinker]

Arab Muslim who supports Israel.

And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient...
.....with permission to gossip about fish pulled up in you-tube

 

[Debp]

And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient...
.....with permission to gossip about fish pulled up in you-tube

The young Arab man was speaking very nicely in order to explain about why Israel should have a country.

 

[shepherdsword]

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue,

and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Proverbs 6:16-19

As of 12 November 2025, over 69,185 Palestinians and 1,983 Israelis have been reported killed in the Gaza war, according to the Gaza Health Ministry and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Palestinian death toll has surpassed 60,000 according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which noted that women and children make up about half of the dead. By early September 2025, the Palestinian death toll had reached 64,231, with the ministry confirming the deaths of around 400 individuals previously presumed missing.

The Gaza Health Ministry's figures are considered reliable by U.N. agencies and many independent experts, though Israel disputes them without providing its own comprehensive toll. Scholars estimate that 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians, and a study by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) found that 70% of verified Palestinian fatalities in residential buildings were women and children.

In contrast, Israeli authorities reported that Hamas-led militants killed approximately 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in their attack on southern Israel on October 7, 2023. The disparity in casualties has been attributed to factors such as Israel's use of defensive systems like the Iron Dome, bomb shelters, and early warning systems, while Palestinian civilians in Gaza lack comparable protective infrastructure.

The conflict has also resulted in significant casualties among humanitarian and media personnel, including 179 UNRWA employees and 248 journalists or media workers. The daily death rate in Gaza has been described as higher than in any other major 21st-century conflict, with Oxfam reporting an average of over 250 deaths per day in early 2024. Human rights organizations have accused Israel of committing genocide and apartheid, citing the scale of civilian casualties and systematic destruction of infrastructure.

This is the fate of Israel

Correction of Israel(last days)

1)Israel will go through a series of successful judgements that will eradicate all non believing jews and restore faith in the Messiah to the elect jews.( Joel 2:32)

2)Half of Jerusalem will be destroyed.(Zech 14:2)

3)Two thirds of Israel will be destroyed by judgement.(Zech 13:8)

4)The remaining one third elect will cry "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" and repent to have faith in Jesus Christ(Matt 23:39)

5)And so all Israel shall be saved (Rom11:26)

6) Jew and Gentile will be united into an everlasting Messianic Kingdom(Eph 2:15-22 Dan 2:44)