A Form of godliness

[Wrangler]

Since it was planned, before the world was that Jesus was to be made into a man, what would ever prevent Him, who was then Holy Spirit, to be incognito as an angelic ministering spirit?
Absolutely nothing!
Romans 15:25-26

Peculiar False Alternative. Nothing has to stop something that never happened.

 

[Wrangler]

Oops, sorry! still trying to get use to this new format of posting.

Me too. Do you know how to indent? I haven't figured that out.

Also, I don't know how to adjust the order of quoted sections. (Normally, I quote sentences in long posts as a I read it. Then reverse the order in my response so it matches the order in which it was written. Now, I cannot do that. So, it reads like I'm addressing their last point first, etc. This seems to take what they wrote out of context or puts it in the wrong context).

 

[Earburner]

Me too. Do you know how to indent? I haven't figured that out.

Also, I don't know how to adjust the order of quoted sections. (Normally, I quote sentences in long posts as a I read it. Then reverse the order in my response so it matches the order in which it was written. Now, I cannot do that. So, it reads like I'm addressing their last point first, etc. This seems to take what they wrote out of context or puts it in the wrong context).

Same here. What I use to do, and now most likely revert back to it, I would copy the post I am replying to, repost it in the reply box, and then number them, as to how I would want to reply to each point made by the poster. I then would number my replies in kind in the same reply box. That way, it's altogether in one box, for easy reference.

 

[Earburner]

Me too. Do you know how to indent? I haven't figured that out.

Also, I don't know how to adjust the order of quoted sections. (Normally, I quote sentences in long posts as a I read it. Then reverse the order in my response so it matches the order in which it was written. Now, I cannot do that. So, it reads like I'm addressing their last point first, etc. This seems to take what they wrote out of context or puts it in the wrong context).

Same here.
Indent? Nope, don't know how to do that here.

What I use to do, and now most likely will revert back to it, I would copy the post I am replying to, repost it in the reply box, and then number them, as to how I would want to reply to each point made by the poster. I then would number my replies in kind in the reply box. That way, it's altogether in one box, for easy reference.

Page number reference is more problematic.
Instead of having page numbers on both the top and bottom of a page, it's now only on the bottom, and then now you have to type in the page you want, instead of just clicking on it. Scroll, scroll and more scroll.

 

[Earburner]

Peculiar False Alternative. Nothing has to stop something that never happened.

Are you saying that Jesus was not Spirit with His Father, before the world was?

 

[Wrangler]

Are you saying that Jesus was not Spirit with His Father, before the world was?

I’m saying Jesus is not God.

 

[Earburner]

I’m saying Jesus is not God.

Yes, Jesus is not God the Father.
As Jesus said, the Father was greater than he.
However Jesus longed to be restored to the glory that HE ONCE HAD with the Father, before the world was.
John 17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You have a common mis-understanding that runs deeper than any religious persuasion is able to help you with, even your own.
Do you know why there was a "book of remembrance" spoken of in Malachi 3:16?

So, John 14:23, Romans 8:8-9 and Revelation 3:20 don't apply to you?

I might suggest that the title of this thread is applicable to your situation, of you being in denial out of ignorance.
2 Timothy 3
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes, Jesus is not God the Father.

Not quite what I said. Still, only God the Father is explicitly taught in Scripture. So, there is that.

 

[Earburner]

Not quite what I said. Still, only God the Father is explicitly taught in Scripture. So, there is that.

Not quite what I said. Still, only God the Father is explicitly taught in Scripture. So, there is that.

So, was Jesus telling lies in his prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane?

 

[Earburner]

I am really not caring for this new format for this forum. It's becoming more of a bother, just to get something together for to post.
Ughhh!
I perceive that my activity will probably become less and less.

 

[Wrangler]

So, was Jesus telling lies in his prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane?

No. Jesus was praying to his God - who we relate to as Father, Jesus and us - in the Garden of Gethsemane.

 

[Earburner]

No. Jesus was praying to his God - who we relate to as Father, Jesus and us - in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Yes, I agree with that. The overall focus of his prayer was that God the Father, himself and that we may be one as they are.

Back to the point I was making.
Jesus revealed that he himself alone had a glorious existence with his Father BEFORE the world was created.
John 17:5.....the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Do you deny that Jesus existed with the Father's Glory, before the world was?

No. Jesus was praying to our God.
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17.

 

[Wrangler]

Do you deny that Jesus existed with the Father's Glory, before the world was?

Jesus is not God. Jesus is a man. Perhaps man existed before our incarnation; so yes.. Doesn’t make us or Jesus God.

 

[Earburner]

The Scripture you quote says, neither that Jesus is an angel or God. Don't you think it odd that if Jesus were God, he'd be masquerading as a mere angel?

He who was to be manifested in the world as "the Lamb OF God" was kept secret until the precise time of when God was going to send to us the "good news" aka the Gospel, who is Christ Himself.

Prior to that, in the OT, Jesus was seen, but was incognito as being an angel, typically the Angel of the Lord, for reasons of secrecy.
If angels can appear physically in human form, who says that Jesus, who dwelt within the Father's Glory of Himself, couldn't appear as an angel? Here he is being symbolically shown as God's Wisdom, Proverbs 8:22-31, John 5:39.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus is not God. Jesus is a man. Perhaps man existed before our incarnation; so yes.. Doesn’t make us or Jesus God.

Your answer denies scripture, and the testimony of Jesus' own words.

Man became a living soul. He didn't receive a living soul, of which many falsely believe is eternal of itself.

 

[Wrangler]

If angels can appear physically in human form, who says that Jesus, who dwelt within the Father's Glory of Himself, couldn't appear as an angel?

Could or could not are potential. We aren’t talking about potential but actual. And there is no actual verse that says Jesus came in the form of an angel.

 

[Earburner]

Could or could not are potential. We aren’t talking about potential but actual. And there is no actual verse that says Jesus came in the form of an angel.

The pharisaical Jews had a down fall, they also took every word of the scriptures as being literal. Hence they missed the day of their visitation of the Messiah.

 

[face2face]

The pharisaical Jews had a down fall, they also took every word of the scriptures as being literal. Hence they missed the day of their visitation of the Messiah.

Wow you could learn a lot from this statement. ;)

 

[face2face]

I am really not caring for this new format for this forum. It's becoming more of a bother, just to get something together for to post.
Ughhh!
I perceive that my activity will probably become less and less.

I've asked admin why the instant link to verses has not been connected? No response so far.

 

[Earburner]

Wow you could learn a lot from this statement. ;)

So also "could" you:
EB previously stated:
"If angels can appear physically in human form, who says that Jesus, who dwelt within the Father's Glory of Himself, couldn't appear as an angel?";)