A Form of godliness

[Earburner]

It's just that your knowledge of the reward of the Saints isn't as the Masters teaching as per Mark 12:25; Luke 20:36. I get most Christians today like to "make up" their own teaching, which is a by product of trinitarian theology - its a learnt behavior to ignore the text for "other" teachings.

It's sad really because the insights into the Angelic Host is really beautiful and you discount this for no viable reason. Hebrews 1:14

F2F

I adhere to an Amillennial-Binitarian understanding.
Yes, Mark 12:25 says that we will be AS (similar to) the angels in heaven, but in the likeness of Christ's New Life, being New creatures/a brand New creation, Him being the First.

Hebrews 1:14 God's Holy angels have eternal existence without grace. Once any one them step out out of line with God's will, there is no Grace from God for recovery or restoration.

We, who are born again have become His children, as that of a Loving Father. The angels are NOT the recipients of His Love, nor is His Love directed toward them.
In essence, their existence prescribed for them, is similar to how we understand robots with artificial intelligence. Satan and 1/3 of the angelic realm are on that side of the fence, headed for the scrap yard, immediately upon the Day of Christ's Glorious and visible return.

 

[face2face]

We, who are born again have become His children, as that of a Loving Father. The angels are NOT the recipients of His Love, nor is His Love directed toward them.

My Word... @everyone are you reading this?

 

[Earburner]

My Word... @everyone are you reading this?

Shocking isn't it?
The angels were NOT created in the image of God the Father and the Son.
However, if you think that you can go 24 hours, 24/7, resting not day and night, saying: "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come", then you are in for a rude awakening of what the angelic realm is created for.

 

[face2face]

Shocking isn't it?
The angels were NOT created in the image of God the Father and the Son.
However, if you think that you can go 24 hours, 24/7, resting not day and night, saying: "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come", then you are in for a rude awakening of what the angelic realm is created for.

Yes, shocking is hardly the word for such blatant ignorance...I truly was left gobsmacked someone who professes to read the Bible and know God could ever say such a thing. I mean they make up His name and Psalms 103:20 is a result of His love for them and you are so quick to discard that truth. All this does is show me how far blindness and ignorance can take a person and it doesn't help you represent those who call themselves trinitarians. I can only hope you brothers and sisters dont hold your extreme view of God.
F2F

 

[Earburner]

The Spirit of God was to be permanently within the mortal flesh of Jesus first.
Now, for we who are Born again of Christ's Spirit, we have both the Father and the Son together within us, which is known to us as being the (their) Holy Spirit. John 14:23, Romans 8:8-9.
This situation of our New status of becoming the sons and daughters of God (each by the new birth), is unknown to the angels, just as it is for unbelievers, and it is why that they are continually curious to look into it, for it directly shall have an effect over them.
1 Corinthians 6
[2] Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

The holy angels of God do not have the Holy Spirit of God dwelling within them, through Jesus. They were created by Holy Spirit, but they are not "brought forth" from out of Holy Spirit, as was Jesus.
Jesus was not promised to the angels, but rather to us. He did not die and become the First resurrected New creature of a New creation for any of the angels.
Because God does dwell within His Saints, we as brethren are commanded to not judge each other, but we shall judge angels?
That understanding right there explains the New order of things in God's kingdom through His Son Jesus.
Angels cannot judge us, but we shall judge angels.

Though Jesus, in his mortal flesh, was made to be a little lower than the angels, through His resurrection, He is now again above them, by now becoming the First of a New creation.
And so shall we, who do follow Him through our own rebirth, by the power of His resurrection.

We are made holy before God by the blood of Christ, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of their Oneness within us, unto the day of redemption.

Where in the Bible does it say that Both God the Father and the Son dwell WITHIN angels?
It doesn't.

 

[face2face]

The holy angels of God do not have the Holy Spirit of God dwelling within them, through Jesus. They were created by Holy Spirit, but they are not "brought forth" from out of Holy Spirit, as was Jesus.
Jesus was not promised to the angels, but rather to us. He did not die and become the First resurrected New creature of a New creation for any of the angels.
Because God does dwell within His Saints, we as brethren are commanded to not judge each other, but we shall judge angels?
That understanding right there explains the New order of things in God's kingdom through His Son Jesus.
Angels cannot judge us, but we shall judge angels.

Though Jesus, in his mortal flesh, was made to be a little lower than the angels, through His resurrection, He is now again above them, by now becoming the First of a New creation.
And so shall we, who do follow Him through our own rebirth, by the power of His resurrection.

We are made holy before God by the blood of Christ, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of their Oneness within us, unto the day of redemption.

Where in the Bible does it say that Both God the Father and the Son dwell WITHIN angels?
It doesn't.

This is a real mess Earburner and the hole you are digging is only getting deeper.
Job knew them as Sons of God which destroys everything you have said - always time for you to delete those posts!
Isaiah 63:9; Job 38:7 Matthew 18:10 etc.

 

[Earburner]

I adhere to an Amillennial-Binitarian understanding.
Yes, Mark 12:25 says that we will be AS (similar to) the angels in heaven, but in the likeness of Christ's New Life, being New creatures/a brand New creation, Him being the First.

Hebrews 1:14 God's Holy angels have eternal existence without grace. Once any one them step out out of line with God's will, there is no Grace from God for recovery or restoration.

We, who are born again have become His children, as that of a Loving Father. The angels are NOT the recipients of His Love, nor is His Love directed toward them.
In essence, their existence prescribed for them, is similar to how we understand robots with artificial intelligence. Satan and 1/3 of the angelic realm are on that side of the fence, headed for the scrap yard, immediately upon the Day of Christ's Glorious and visible return.

This is a real mess Earburner and the hole you are digging is only getting deeper.
Job knew them as Sons of God which destroys everything you have said - always time for you to delete those posts!
Isaiah 63:9; Job 38:7 Matthew 18:10 etc.

If you think so, then you must have an argument about my post saying:
Where in the Bible does it say that Both God the Father and the Son dwell WITHIN angels?
It doesn't.

 

[Earburner]

This is a real mess Earburner and the hole you are digging is only getting deeper.
Job knew them as Sons of God which destroys everything you have said - always time for you to delete those posts!
Isaiah 63:9; Job 38:7 Matthew 18:10 etc.

Sorry, your references don't even come close to what you are trying to explain.
Isaiah 63:9 is speaking about the "Angel of the LORD", who is Jesus incognito. I have already gone over that in a previous post.

 

[Jack]

Sorry, your references don't even come close to what you are trying to explain.
Isaiah 63:9 is speaking about the "Angel of the LORD", who is Jesus incognito. I have already gone over that in a previous post.

You are absolutely correct! Jesus appeared several times in the OT!

 

[Wrangler]

Isaiah 63:9 is speaking about the "Angel of the LORD", who is Jesus incognito.

ME: Oh, what verse says that?

YOU:

 

[Jack]

ME: Oh, what verse says that?

YOU:
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Are insults allowed here?

 

[Wrangler]

Are insults allowed here?

I don't think it is an insult to point out you's don't answer certain questions.

 

[Jack]

I don't think it is an insult to point out you's don't answer certain questions.

You don't think your insults are insults?

 

[Wrangler]

You don't think your insults are insults?

Hey buddy, I have a sense of humor. I like that one of Dracula and this one by the Cable Guy. Classics. Maybe you are unaware of how many questions you dodge? That's even funnier. No insult intended.

 

[Jack]

Hey buddy, I have a sense of humor. I like that one of Dracula and this one by the Cable Guy. Classics. Maybe you are unaware of how many questions you dodge? That's even funnier. No insult intended.

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What would you like to know about the Bible? Just ask.

 

[Wrangler]

What would you like to know about the Bible? Just ask.

Where does the bible say the "Angel of the LORD" is Jesus incognito (or pre-carnate Jesus or words to that affect)?

 

[Jack]

Where does the bible say the "Angel of the LORD" is Jesus incognito (or pre-carnate Jesus or words to that affect)?

I will provide Scripture, but first the Angel of the Lord" is clearly God in the Bible.

Genesis 16:

“7 Now the angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the LORD said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” 10 Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.”​

That is God! And since the NT says no man has seen God it is referring to the Father. It MUST be Jesus, the "Mighty God" of Isaiah 9:6.

Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM".

 

[Wrangler]

I will provide Scripture, but first the Angel of the Lord" is clearly God in the Bible.

Genesis 16:

“7 Now the angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the LORD said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” 10 Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.”​

That is God! And since the NT says no man has seen God it is referring to the Father. It MUST be Jesus, the "Mighty God" of Isaiah 9:6.

Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM".

I anticipated tortured rationalization and you did not disappoint.

Angels and prophets speak for God. It's what they do. The string of False Alternatives leading to an angel (explicitely said to NOT be Jesus in Hebrews) that must be Jesus is a flat out or clear contradiction.

Just a point of language usage, putting aside those that rebelled, aren't all angels 'of the LORD?' In other words, saying 'of the Lord' is just for emphasis. Compare to Prophet A is just a prophet but Prophet B is a prophet 'of the Lord' has no difference in application. Does it?

And this is the BEST evidence for a precarnate Jesus on Earth. Geesh! You are a funny one, Jack!

It would have been way more awesome if your reply began, "There is no explicit teaching or verse in Scripture that 'Angel of the LORD' refers to the precarnate Jesus but ..."

 

[Earburner]

Where does the bible say the "Angel of the LORD" is Jesus incognito (or pre-carnate Jesus or words to that affect)?

First and foremost, one must come to terms in understanding that God's plan of our salvation was kept SECRET since the world began, until the Day of Jesus' baptism, whereby God spoke through John the Baptist saying: "Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world."

KJV- Rom.16​

[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,​

[26] But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets,....

Therefore, Jesus, who is Himself the Gospel, was kept a secret throughout the OT scriptures, but can be SEEN many times in symbolism being present, but incognito.

KJV-John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me

 

[face2face]

First and foremost, one must come to terms in understanding that God's plan of our salvation was kept SECRET since the world began, until the Day of Jesus' baptism, whereby God spoke through John the Baptist saying: "Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world."

KJV- Rom.16​

[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,​

[26] But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets,....

Therefore, Jesus, who is Himself the Gospel, was kept a secret throughout the OT scriptures, but can be SEEN many times in symbolism being present, but incognito.

KJV-John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me

Unfathomerable to think you actually believe this rot. Making up secrets....speaking things God never uttered and doing so with no fear.