WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SAVED?Doesn't that sound great? Well you can be, if you want. All you have to do is confess in your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. It's that simple.SAVED FROM WHAT?Saved from God's wrath. Yes, God is angry with us for disobeying His law. If one of us steals something, then we have laws to punish us. We have broken the law. God is the same way. If we break one of His laws he wants to punish us. We have all broken God's law many times. We are all guilty before God, therefore, we are all under His wrath and in need of Salvation.GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATIONThat is what Jesus Christ is all about. He is God's plan to save us. Jesus Christ is a sacrifice to cover our sin: our disobedience to God's law, which we are all guilty of. He became a human sacrifice for our sin. Isn't that wonderful? He was a perfect man, he had no sin. He always kept the law of God. So he was a perfect sacrifice. He had no sin.You may think that sounds kind of silly that Jesus was a sacrifice for our sin. Well, it may be, but that is how God works. It is God's way of thinking not ours. It is in accordance with his law not ours. In God's way of thinking without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. So that is what Jesus Christ was doing hanging up there on the cross: dying for your sins and mine. He was making a sacrifice for our sin, he gave His life for our life. It is we who are guilty of sin. It is we who should be put to death, but God wanted to save us so He had Jesus die in our place. He put our sin on Jesus and brought salvation for us.So that is why we must accept Jesus as our Lord, he is the savior from our sin. When we confess in our mouth, "Jesus is Lord, "we are accepting him as Lord and Savior. This puts us in right standing with God. This is His way of saving us. Isn't that wonderful? God cares so much for us that He had his son die for us. He must love us very much.HOW TO BE SAVEDSo all you have to do, on your part, is simply confess in your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," just confess him in your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead: that's not so hard, you can do it, it's easy, and God loves it, it makes him happy.CONCLUSIONSo what are you waiting for? Confess in your mouth, "Jesus is Lord." This is calling upon the name of the Lord. It is written, "All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Don't delay. God is waiting for you. Give Him your heart, and He will not let you down.What did you think? Is this right on or what? I'd love to know your opinion.
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[quote name='Teacher;75085]WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SAVED?Doesn't that sound great? Well you can be' date=' if you want. All you have to do is confess in your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. It's that simple.SAVED FROM WHAT?Saved from God's wrath. Yes, God is angry with us for disobeying His law. If one of us steals something, then we have laws to punish us. We have broken the law. God is the same way. If we break one of His laws he wants to punish us. We have all broken God's law many times. We are all guilty before God, therefore, we are all under His wrath and in need of Salvation.GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATIONThat is what Jesus Christ is all about. He is God's plan to save us. Jesus Christ is a sacrifice to cover our sin: our disobedience to God's law, which we are all guilty of. He became a human sacrifice for our sin. Isn't that wonderful? He was a perfect man, he had no sin. He always kept the law of God. So he was a perfect sacrifice. He had no sin.You may think that sounds kind of silly that Jesus was a sacrifice for our sin. Well, it may be, but that is how God works. It is God's way of thinking not ours. It is in accordance with his law not ours. In God's way of thinking without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. So that is what Jesus Christ was doing hanging up there on the cross: dying for your sins and mine. He was making a sacrifice for our sin, he gave His life for our life. It is we who are guilty of sin. It is we who should be put to death, but God wanted to save us so He had Jesus die in our place. He put our sin on Jesus and brought salvation for us.So that is why we must accept Jesus as our Lord, he is the savior from our sin. When we confess in our mouth, "Jesus is Lord, "we are accepting him as Lord and Savior. This puts us in right standing with God. This is His way of saving us. Isn't that wonderful? God cares so much for us that He had his son die for us. He must love us very much.HOW TO BE SAVEDSo all you have to do, on your part, is simply confess in your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," just confess him in your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead: that's not so hard, you can do it, it's easy, and God loves it, it makes him happy.CONCLUSIONSo what are you waiting for? Confess in your mouth, "Jesus is Lord." This is calling upon the name of the Lord. It is written, "All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Don't delay. God is waiting for you. Give Him your heart, and He will not let you down.What did you think? Is this right on or what? I'd love to know your opinion.[/QUOTE']You left out Acts 2:38 According to verse 39 we are still under this condition for salvation.all the best...
By your own logic you have cornered yourself TallMan.You claim Teacher quotes from the end of a long letter written to people who were already Christians.Using your logic you must then also admit that Jesus was addressing a Pharisee in John 3 . Thus your argument does not stand.Not trying to disagree with either of these posts , just wanted to point that out. Thank you.It also needs to be mentioned that Jesus says at least twice (to the Pharisee in John 3 ) that whoever believes in him (Son of Man) has eternal life. This pretty much falls in line with what teacher was saying.It also appears you put the cart before the horse by saying ..... "Did you know that only people that heve received the Spirit can understand and therefore "confess" Jesus "Normal understanding is that we receive the Spirit after (or at the instant) we receive Jesus .... (although I do believe it is The Spirit who leads us to Jesus in the first place.)Like I said , I am not trying to disagree with anyone but would just like to point out that we will always run into trouble when we insist on only one interpretation of the mechanics of salvation.The thief on the cross who did and said very little will be in heaven , the most learned and devout apostle will be in heaven , so will you and I . Let us not split hairs on the mechanics of how we get there.It amounts to the saved arguing with the saved on how to get saved.TallMan;75095]Hello Teacher said:
If you are going to quote Jesus words in the book of John what about: Chapter 6:44 and 6:65 Jesus repeats his words to make sure those He is talking to understand that salvation is first an act of God and second an act of man....RayMartin W.;75099]By your own logic you have cornered yourself [B]TallMan.[/B] You claim [B]Teacher[/B] quotes from the end of a long letter written to people who were already Christians. Using your logic you must then also admit that Jesus was addressing a [B]Pharisee[/B] in John 3 . Thus your argument does not stand. Not trying to disagree with either of these posts said:
Tallman If that is your belief thats fine but again this isnt biblical it's your religion John preached the baptisim of repentance one can not truly repent if they dont first believe that that Christ died for our sins ...We confess our belief in Christ repent of our sins ...and we are saved ..You want to put some kind of other limit/condition on it ... However God never says it .... There is one Baptism and that is repentace in the name of Christ ... and thats it ... You can scripture pick all you like the fact is God makes it very clear .... There is no other condition put on salvation To claim otherwise is to deny the very reason Christ came to open salvation to all ...Not just a certain few ..Whether one is claiming salvation is only for the Elect as the calvanist do, or salvation is only for those who follow traditions as the Catholics do, or salvation is only for those who follow the sabbath day. as the SDA does, Its just another example in the same vain as the Pharisees ... another in long line of the religions of men .... There is one Baptism and that is repentace in the name of ChristTallMan;75095]Hello Teacher said:
Actually there is ONE baptism. You are correct in that. However Acts 2:38 teaches that it is for forgiveness of sins (remission)all the best...Christina;75108]Tallman If that is your belief thats fine but again [U]this isnt biblical it said:
I really should not butt in here, but I believe the Bible is clear that there actually are two "baptisms". The first, and the only one that counts, occurs at the instant that a person obtains a true, heart-felt belief in Jesus as the only Savior who died for all sinners (as a perfect, flawless, sinless propitious sacrifice to God) and then arose three days later, the first-fruits of all those who find salvation in God. When that belief is obtained, the Holy Spirit enters into that believer's body to reside there for the rest of that person's life on earth. It is at that instant of entrance that a person is born again in the Spirit of God. Since God is both perfect and all-knowing, no one who receives the Holy Spirit in this manner can possibly lose their salvation because God cannot make a mistake. He already knows who will love Him, and who will reject Him. The other baptism is "water" baptism by full emersion. This is a symbolic act of public admission to complete subservience to Jesus that does not in any way actually result in a person's salvation. I have read arguments (debates?) that claim that water baptism is necessary for salvation, but anyone who adheres to that thought process does not really understand God or how He works. He is omnipotent and omniscient, being all powerful and all knowing. He does not need man's assistance with anything, including the process of salvation. That process is His alone to freely bequest on those individuals who believe in Jesus as the Savior and who repent of their sinful ways. He gently calls all persons to come unto Him by action of the Holy Spirit, but He never forces His will on anyone. If they heed His call, and if they follow the narrow pathway He has clearly laid before them, they will find salvation. If they ignore His gentle call, they will remain under His wrath at the judgement. And if they ignore His call enough times, He will give up on them and even harden their hearts so they cannot possibly find salvation. Just some of my thoughts, Rank Stranger
A quick look at Acts 2:38 tells us that water baptism is for the remission of sins. It is not taught to be a "symbolic" act of anything. This is further re-enforced by Acts 22:16.Ephesians 4:5 says there is ONE baptism. ONE means ONE not two! If ONE meant two, then there could well TWO Lords. TWO faiths, TWO bodies etc... No? My 2 cents.all the best...
There is one baptism it is ALL one thing when we accept Christ as your savior that he died for your sins .... You then must repent in his name ... Water baptism is an out ward sign of washing yourself clean of sins and your old self and becoming a new person in Christ ..... Water is not necessary as the thief on the cross proves Christ said he would see him in heaven that very day Water but it is desired/prefered but not required... Water itself does nothing ... repentace of sins and belief in Christ are not seperate things they are one in the same You cant repent in his name if you dont believe he already died for your sins that is remission of sins,... you cant have one without the other ....
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kay-gee;75148]A quick look at Acts 2:38 tells us that water baptism is for the remission of sins. It is not taught to be a "symbolic" act of anything. This is further re-enforced by Acts 22:16.Ephesians 4:5 says there is ONE baptism. ONE means ONE not two! If ONE meant two said:
The pharisee is told that he needs to receive the Spirit in John 3' date=' if he truly believes he will do this (see also John 7:37-39, Acts 2:33)Martin W.;75099]By your own logic you have cornered yourself [B]TallMan.[/B]You claim [B]Teacher[/B] quotes from the end of a long letter written to people who were already Christians.Using your logic you must then also admit that Jesus was addressing a [B]Pharisee[/B] in John 3 . Thus your argument does not stand.[/QUOTE] Why not?John 3 is about becoming a Christian - it stresses the need to receive the Spirit (vv6-8) said:
Then your "normal understanding" is wrong.Jesus himself taught that you only receive him by receiving his Spirit (John 14:17-20). Paul backed this up saying:"ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" (Romans 8:9)Martin W.;75099' said:
People are being taught to reject the need for water & Spirit baptisms because of assumptions about what Jesus says to a thief in Luke.EVEN IF one thief was sincere it's a red herring for people today since God is now dealing under the New Covenant. The apostles never told anyone "just say Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom, mean it and you are saved".As you seem to be basing your own and other people's salvation on it, you might like to look again at the subject:Many people assume that "paradise" means heaven, and therefore the thief was sincere in his comments. Matthew and Mark's account of this dialogue both say that both thieves were speaking mockingly to Jesus immediately before the darkness - the same time of the dialogue reported by Luke (to which you refer):-"The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth. Now from the sixth hour there was darkness . .. " (Matthew 27:43-45)"they that were crucified with him reviled him. And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour."(Mark 15:32-33) . . . did they both miss the point that one thief repented and had a great revelation of Jesus coming with a kingdom?Did this thief really have a greater revelation of Jesus victory and coming kingdom than any of the disciples who had walked & talked with Jesus for 3 years??- they were in sorrow and fear, they didn't understand!Or, is it more reasonable to say that the thief was speaking mockingly "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom"If the thief was sincere, this would have been a comfort to Jesus at this time when he represtented man's sin (for which there can be no comfort).But what of the prophesy:-"Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink." (Psalm 69:20-21) ?Why does Jesus say "today you shall be with me in paradise"? not just "you shall be with me in paradise"?- No man enters into heaven until Jesus returns!"no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13)"in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming" (1 Cor. 15:22-23)The word "paradise" is used figuratively for heaven elsewhere, but literally it means garden, where Jesus was buried that day; Mary later thought he was the gardener (John 19v41, 20v15). This would mean Jesus was saying that the thief would be put in a tomb in the garden. Normally I would think it unlikely that a common thief would get buried in such a place, unless they just put his body there temporarily?Isaiah 53:9 prophesies:"he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death"Martin W.;75099]The thief on the cross who did and said very little will be in heaven said:
forgivenWretch;75156]Could you please show where "that water baptism is for the remission of sins" in Acts 2:38? So I guess that John 3:16 means nothing said:
I must say...that is the most in depth piece I've heard on the thief on the cross. This is a recurring error in discussion about baptism. It is one easily cleared up. At the time of the crucifixion, Christian baptism had not yet be commanded. There was no death, burial and resurrection yet, obviously. (Romans 6:3-4)These had to take place before baptism could serve as a re-enactment of them. Jesus who was God, could grant salvation to anyone, any way of His choosing. He said several times to people that their sins were forgiven. Look at Zaccheus who did nothing more than offer Jesus lunch. He said, today salvation has come to this house.Problem is, in 2009 AD, we do not have the luxury of Jesus walking up to us in person and forgiving our sins.Our sins are forgiven by water baptism. Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Romans 6:3-4.This came into effect on the birthday of the church. Pentecost. It remains in effect for the duration of the church age. Acts 2:39. That includes us.all the best...
Water does not save, that is borderline blasphemous to say. It is not the act, but the Lord alone.
forgivenWretch
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[quote name='kay-gee;75168]No contradiction at all. John 3:16 says "believe in". to "believe in"' date=' you must BELIEVE HIM. If you Believe HIM...you will do what He says. Check out Mark 16:16 He who BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED shall be saved. If you not baptized, you don't really believe.all the best...[/QUOTE']Being baptized and believing are not the same. So by this you are saying that the thief on the cross did not really believe?
Sorry, but I think we are missing each other some how. Please read some of my recent posts on this thread. Hope to be able to help you.all the best...forgivenWretch;75179 said:
Me and my good work buddy were just talking about this, i beleive that there is more to the bible than salvation but that salvation through jesus is the most important part of the bible. We are baptized with fire and the holy spirit and washed of all our sins through christ death on the cross. Not tp be rude as well but water baptism is purly for symbolic purposes speaking out publicaly to a church or community. There is no need of water baptism as long as your baptized through jesus and in the name of jesus. God bless :)
God bless :)[/QUOTE]Total error! Be careful. Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:3-4, Col 2:12,Gal 3:27, 1st Peter 3:21, 1st John 5:8, John, Acts 10:47-48, John3:5,Mark 16:16all the best...
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