A God of Hate

[the.reverent.atheist]

did it ever occur to you that He might have had a very good reason for wiping these people off the map?

Yes, it did. That's why I searched the Bible for the Bible's explanation and found the relevant explanation in Deuteronomy 7:1-4, which I cited in my original posting. And once I read the Bible's explanation I realized that the Bible's reason isn't a good reason-- it's an evil reason.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Yes, it did. That's why I searched the Bible for the Bible's explanation and found the relevant explanation in Deuteronomy 7:1-4, which I cited in my original posting. And once I read the Bible's explanation I realized that the Bible's reason isn't a good reason-- it's an evil reason.

well then you didn't find the correct reason because the people, of all of the cities, that God wiped out were worshiping demons, demon influenced/possessed, and their entire societies were founded upon despicable satanic rituals and practices including the torture and murder of innocent children and animals.

it was a wonderful thing that God wiped them out and it was a very good riddance.

it's a shame, and the bane of our existence, that those people still exist to this very day and they have worked their ways of life into almost all societies of the world.

 

[the.reverent.atheist]

it was a wonderful thing that God wiped them out and it was a very good riddance.

Genocide in any form is the opposite of mercy.

 

[BarneyFife]

Genocide in any form is the opposite of mercy.

I wonder if that's what the Treblinka and Bergen-Belsen inmates were thinking when the SS and the Wehrmacht were genocide-d.

Platitudes—gotta love 'em.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Genocide in any form is the opposite of mercy.

not sure what you think will happen on the Last Day, but what God does to the devil, and those who have embraced the evil ways of his fallen world, may not seem very merciful to you.

there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

it will be well-deserved and I hope I'm there to see it.

 

[Wrangler]

@the.reverent.atheist is under the mistaken belief that God’s love, like everything else that exists, is limited. In this case to justice.

There is a reason that the beginning of wisdom is FEAR of YHWH. His wrath will be fearsome, unmerciful and deserved.

 

[BarneyFife]

not sure what you think will happen on the Last Day, but what God does to the devil, and those who have embraced the evil ways of his fallen world, may not seem very merciful to you.

there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

it will be well-deserved and I hope I'm there to see it.

How could a Christian say such a thing?

Luke 9

51And it came to pass, when the time was come that He should be received up, He stedfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem,

52And sent messengers before His face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for Him.

53And they did not receive Him, because His face was as though He would go to Jerusalem.

54And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

55But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Romans 12

14Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

15Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

16Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[Wrangler]

How could a Christian say such a thing?

54And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

Are you saying St James and St John were not Christians?

 

[BarneyFife]

Are you saying St James and St John were not Christians?

Not any more than you are saying Christ had nothing more to teach them at the time.

Is that really what you think I'm saying or are we just dueling with our wits?

 

[Wrangler]

Not any more than you are saying Christ had nothing more to teach them at the time.

Is that really what you think I'm saying or are we just dueling with our wits?

I’m not saying anything. Since you can’t answer a yes or no question, we’re done - not dueling.

Regarding Christians - IF St James and St John be Christian’s - having more to learn; who knew?

Seems to me that your quip about learning more is moving the goal posts from being Christian. YMMV.

 

[BarneyFife]

I’m not saying anything. Since you can’t answer a yes or no question, we’re done - not dueling.

Regarding Christians - IF St James and St John be Christian’s - having more to learn; who knew?

Seems to me that your quip about learning more is moving the goal posts from being Christian. YMMV.

Fair enough. We're done.

 

[Instant]

There are many passages in the Bible that explicitly say that Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is merciful and loving. Here’s an example:



But that’s far from the whole story. The Book of Joshua describes the conquest of the lands promised to the Israelites. Chapter 12 lists 31 kingdoms that were conquered under the leadership of Joshua. But those kingdoms weren’t just conquered. Every one of the kings of those kingdoms was killed. And not only that, but every one of the cities and towns over which those kings ruled was destroyed. And not only that, but all of the men, women, and children who lived in those cities and towns were killed:



God himself actively participated in this slaughter:



Furthermore, God ordered this slaughter:



Exactly why did God plan to slaughter all of those people? The answer is provided elsewhere in Deuteronomy:



So God didn’t want the Israelites to intermarry with the people of that region. But if God were actually merciful and loving, was there no other way to prevent the Israelites from intermarrying the indigenous people of the promised lands, or was slaughter the only possible option?

An omniscient God would have known that this problem would arise, and he could have planned for it at the time when he created the sun, the moon, the planets, the stars, the galaxies, and the earth itself. An omnipotent God could have created a force field around the entire region to prevent anyone else from entering. Then, when the Israelites arrived, he could have disabled the force field to let the Israelites enter a region that would have been fertile, lush, and unpopulated.

Or alternatively an omnipotent God could have left the promised lands at the bottom of the Mediterranean sea. Then when the Israelites arrived he could have lifted up the promised lands from the sea floor and the Israelites could have entered a region that would have been pristine, new, and uninhabited.

Or a truly omnipotent God could have lifted up all of the 31 kingdoms to carry them out of the way. If God had done that the inhabitants of that region would have been immensely grateful-- and he would thereby have gotten thousands of new followers as a result. Instead the only new followers he got were Rahab of Jericho and the other members of her whorehouse.

Slaughtering people simply for their beliefs is genocide. Yahweh certainly had plenty of time and opportunity to choose another path. Why didn’t Yahweh choose any of the options listed above? There is only one possible conclusion: Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is a God of genocide, not of love and mercy.

Thank you for bringing this up. Christians that sanitize scripture are not doing anyone any favors. God is good and merciful, because if He was not, we would have all been destroyed. It was because of God's mercy that God spared Noah and his family. They were not perfect in light of God's standard of holiness, but Noah was perfect in his generations. God has done many things that people see as less than loving, but the fact is that there are many different attributes that pertain to God besides love and mercy. That is no reason to doubt his reality.

Consider this. The alternative to God is we got here from nothing. Nothing became something and kept expanding. Earth came from nothingness along with sea creatures that became land creatures and somehow became monkeys and eventually men. I believe God exists outside of time and that time is a creation for our benefit. Right from the start, you have 2 beliefs requiring faith. I believe a God that exists outside of time makes more sense than the alternative. What that God is like can be anything. He can be loving or cruel. He just is.

 

[Instant]

Genocide in any form is the opposite of mercy.

I have heard people say, "I can't believe in a God that does this or that." That is completely illogical. God can be any way. Why would he have to be any particular way? Though I wouldn't frame it this way, why couldn't the real God be genocidal and destroy people for any reason including unbelief?

 

[Cassandra]

I believe that people should be judged on the basis of their actions and deeds, not on their personal beliefs. I believe the same is true of gods. Huitzilopochtli, the Aztec god of war, required frequent ritual human sacrifice. I refuse to worship such a god because I think human sacrifice is evil. And similarly I refuse to worship a god who behaves as Yahweh has behaved because his actions are those of a tyrant!

Ok- you have a problem with God. Why are you over here then? Don't you believe you just have this life and that's it? So being over here is kind of a waste, isn't it? UNLESS

You are just angry with your perception of God and the world and are looking for someone to say something to convince you otherwise. You are looking for answers--you want someone to show you something so you can reconcile
I don't believe you are an atheist.
If you were, you'd have better things to spend your time doing. You are finite. You have this much time. Don't waste it, if that is what you believe.

 

[Rockerduck]

Ezekiel 18:23-24 - Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live? But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

 

[BarneyFife]

Though I wouldn't frame it this way...

Then why did you?

 

[Instant]

Then why did you?

I believe I asked about it in a hypothetical form of a question. Am I mistaken? I asked why couldn't God be genocidal? Just using basic logic, God can be good or bad because we aren't able to fashion him into what we want. God just is.

By the way, I loved you in the "Andy Griffith Show." It was never the same after you left, but you did make good movies, especially "The Ghost And Mister Chicken," one of my all time favorites.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

There are many passages in the Bible that explicitly say that Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is merciful and loving. Here’s an example:

He is, our else He would have left us in our sin ad allowed Satan to have his way with us. One of these days all non believers will suddenly grasp what this means when Satan has his way for ever and ever with all non believers. Satan will trick many into not receiving the free gift of salvation, thus we doom ourselves unto living am eternal life outside of God's Presence, thus that is what hell means, an absence of God's love means they will dwell in hate, in lust, in greed, in debauchery, in foreboding fear forever, etc. etc.

But that’s far from the whole story. The Book of Joshua describes the conquest of the lands promised to the Israelites. Chapter 12 lists 31 kingdoms that were conquered under the leadership of Joshua. But those kingdoms weren’t just conquered. Every one of the kings of those kingdoms was killed. And not only that, but every one of the cities and towns over which those kings ruled was destroyed. And not only that, but all of the men, women, and children who lived in those cities and towns were killed:

There are no human beings who are not worthy of death, PERIOD, we have sin nature which can not come into God's presence, your error is "thinking" we are an innocent people. We inherited sin nature thus we are all worthy of death, you not understanding this does not change this factoid. God who FOREKNOWS ALL knew that these evil Canaanites who served Satan (Baal) would bring their false gods unto the Israelites, so they were ordered to kill them all, and by not doing so Israel did not inherit all of the land they were promised from the Euphrates river all the way to a river in Egypt. They turned unto false gods and served wickedness, thus by not listening unto God they brought forth evil into their midst, just like we have today, darkness always finds a way to destroy nations, that is what turning away from God in our schools has wrought, be proud of that sir, your ilk has brought us unto the point where there are now nor boundaries, no girls or boys but metrosexual confused weird children !! Your ilk has brought us divorce on demand, porn that destroys the soul.

So, just like Israel should have destroyed those wicked men in full, we as a nation should have never allowed wicked men in high places to destroy our nation, to bring it to a filthy Babylonian whore like state which she currently has become.

God himself actively participated in this slaughter:

Good, He was destroying evil, which would consume us all if given free reign, LOOK AROUND. And God will judge each man according to their hearts, so do not kid yourself, you also will be judged. And placed in hell all because you were to proud or deceived, by Satan, sadly. Trying to judge God is the most arrogant thing I have ever seen. Weird.

Furthermore, God ordered this slaughter:

Good, evil needs to be snuffed out, LOOK AROUND at how evil our Gov. has become. All men become Authoritarians in the end without God. All you socialists wind up like Hitler, Lenin or Mao.

Exactly why did God plan to slaughter all of those people? The answer is provided elsewhere in Deuteronomy:

TRY READING.........They were having sex with Animals, with their kids, with their nephews and nieces, with anyone and everyone, they were SACRIFICING their children into Molech, and that is what is happening now with Abortion, and most atheists see all this as OK because you guys have zero moral standards, you serve Satan and do not even understand that he is your god. Your heart, if you approve of Homosexuality, Abortion, Greed etc. etc. is the same hearts God sought to kill off, He now gives us Mercy, but that period will soon end, then Judgment will come, all of those who love evil will be separated unto themselves, whilst we who love God will live with God eternally, we will be able to do all things only people can imagine now, meanwhile the wicked will be under Satan, who will have his way with them eternally, unspeakable things, and since God created us in His image as ETERNAL BEINGS those people will be tortured by Satan eternally. And its your own choice, you guys love Satan and his wickedness.

So God didn’t want the Israelites to intermarry with the people of that region. But if God were actually merciful and loving, was there no other way to prevent the Israelites from intermarrying the indigenous people of the promised lands, or was slaughter the only possible option?

An omniscient God would have known that this problem would arise, and he could have planned for it at the time when he created the sun, the moon, the planets, the stars, the galaxies, and the earth itself. An omnipotent God could have created a force field around the entire region to prevent anyone else from entering. Then, when the Israelites arrived, he could have disabled the force field to let the Israelites enter a region that would have been fertile, lush, and unpopulated.

Abraham answered Gods call and made a Covenant (Agreement) with God. God FORCED NOTHING, you do not read nor comprehend well it seems. God FORESAW enough to get Jesus birthed, which broke Satan's stronghold.

God is just in killing us all because we all have evil, wicked hearts.

 

[amigo de christo]

Satan is the god of hate . That is why he has convinced a lot of christendom and the world and its religoins
to merge as one under a false love that will not save them but will surely condmen them . Satan loveth not
he cometh simply to steal , to kill and to destroy . SO he preaches the all inclusive religoin through many to condmen them all .

 

[amigo de christo]

I believe I asked about it in a hypothetical form of a question. Am I mistaken? I asked why couldn't God be genocidal? Just using basic logic, God can be good or bad because we aren't able to fashion him into what we want. God just is.

By the way, I loved you in the "Andy Griffith Show." It was never the same after you left, but you did make good movies, especially "The Ghost And Mister Chicken," one of my all time favorites.

Instant , i care not what francis might say about ya , You know i loves ya . NOW get up and contend for the true faith my friend .
DO so till the last breath . cause the enemy as his people take no time off with a lie
THUS we take no time off preaching TRUTH . Its truly an end hour battle for the souls of men . Preach JESUS CHRIST
and all sound doctrine while there still be the time to do so .