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Spiritual Israelite

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Here is yours and @WPM stumbling block = i gave no interpretation = ONLY the Word of GOD = Revelation 2:12-13
Anyone can quote the word of God. You fail to show that you know what it means. You make no effort to show what it means. I can't take you seriously because of that.

YAHShua was and is a stumbling block to the jews to this day!!!

Do not stumble in religion over His Word of TRUTH

Revelation 22:18-19 is spoken to EVERYONE
Why did you quote Revelation 22:18-19 to me? It comes across that you are accusing me of adding to and/or taking away from the book of Revelation. Are you accusing me of that? If so, then you are saying God's wrath will be on me. Is that what you believe? How about you start actually being transparent instead of vague for once so no one has to guess as to what you're saying?
 

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Anyone can quote the word of God. You fail to show that you know what it means. You make no effort to show what it means.
No interpretation is needed for Rev 2:12-13

If you want to know more about Pergamum and exactly where Satan dwelt on earth at that time, here it is for you.


Why did you quote Revelation 22:18-19? It comes across that you are accusing me of adding to and/or taking away from the book of Revelation.
answered that already as it is for EVERYONE

Our Heavenly FATHER calls us to break Bread together = the Bread of Life is His Word

Does HE give you His Bread from a different Loaf then what HE gives to me or is it from One Bread = of course not!!!
 

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Here is yours and @WPM stumbling block = i gave no interpretation = ONLY the Word of GOD = Revelation 2:12-13

YAHShua was and is a stumbling block to the jews to this day!!!

Do not stumble in religion over His Word of TRUTH

Revelation 22:18-19 is spoken to EVERYONE
You seem so far out of your depth. You cannot address any of the many holes in your argument or can you even explain what any Scripture you mention means. It seems like you struggle to understand the meaning of what you quote.
 
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Anyone can quote the word of God. You fail to show that you know what it means. You make no effort to show what it means. I can't take you seriously because of that.


Why did you quote Revelation 22:18-19 to me? It comes across that you are accusing me of adding to and/or taking away from the book of Revelation. Are you accusing me of that? If so, then you are saying God's wrath will be on me. Is that what you believe? How about you start actually being transparent instead of vague for once so no one has to guess as to what you're saying?
I just said the same thing at the same time in my post. Lol. Good minds think alike.
 
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No interpretation is needed for Rev 2:12-13

If you want to know more about Pergamum and exactly where Satan dwelt on earth at that time, here it is for you.



answered that already as it is for EVERYONE

Our Heavenly FATHER calls us to break Bread together = the Bread of Life is His Word

Does HE give you His Bread from a different Loaf then what HE gives to me or is it from One Bread = of course not!!!
Do you even know what the abyss is or where it is? Do you even know who goes there? Probably not! You speak often out of ignorance. You are plainly out of your depth here. This is over your head.

Do the research before running your mouth off.
 
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answered that already as it is for EVERYONE

Our Heavenly FATHER calls us to break Bread together = the Bread of Life is His Word

Does HE give you His Bread from a different Loaf then what HE gives to me or is it from One Bread = of course not!!!
Why are you never transparent? You act as if you have something to hide. Tell me, did you quote that passage (Revelation 22:18-19) to me because you think it applies to me (as in, you think I purposely add or take away from the words of Revelation) or not? Yes or no?
 
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I just said the same thing at the same time in my post. Lol. Good minds think alike.
It's just unbelievable to me how he can act as if he is refuting what we say by just quoting verses with no commentary. He makes ZERO effort to show why he thinks those verses refute Amill. Anyone can just quote scriptures and claim they refute an opposing view. That's lazy and means nothing. We should be able to show how and why the scriptures we use to support our view refute the opposing view. He clearly is unable to do that.
 
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It's just unbelievable to me how he can act as if he is refuting what we say by just quoting verses with no commentary. He makes ZERO effort to show why he thinks those verses refute Amill. Anyone can just quote scriptures and claim they refute an opposing view. That's lazy and means nothing. We should be able to show how and why the scriptures we use to support our view refute the opposing view. He clearly is unable to do that.
This is why i am an advocate for parental control on internet time.hlf
 
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Do you even know what the abyss is or where it is? Do you even know who goes there? Probably not! You speak often out of ignorance. You are plainly out of your depth here. This is over your head.

Do the research before running your mouth off.


A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. - Luke 6:45
 
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A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. - Luke 6:45
Please answer:

Do you even know what the abyss is or where it is? Do you even know who goes there?
 

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It's just unbelievable to me how he can act as if he is refuting what we say by just quoting verses with no commentary. He makes ZERO effort to show why he thinks those verses refute Amill. Anyone can just quote scriptures and claim they refute an opposing view. That's lazy and means nothing. We should be able to show how and why the scriptures we use to support our view refute the opposing view. He clearly is unable to do that.
He didn't because they do not.
 

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A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. - Luke 6:45
It was quite evil of you to try to associate Revelation 22:18-19 with me. Do you understand that anyone who purposely adds to or takes away from the book of Revelation will be condemned? Why would you try to associate that passage with me? That shows some evil stored up in your heart that you need to remove.
 

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I agree "great tribulation" is not pointing to the literal destruction in 70 AD. We are close in our understanding, but I believe "great tribulation" is what has come and shall continue to come to the Church throughout the whole age of time given the Church while the gospel of the Kingdom of God is being proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth. I believe it is "great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be" .......

No the great tribulation of Matthew 24:21 applies to the period called the little season when Satan was loosened after the building of the church is finished. It will be the worst part of the Great Tribulation since the Creation (not Church).
The purpose of this trial/testing that God allows the Church on earth to endure is not only to strengthen our faith in Christ, but also to teach us that we cannot have victory over all evil without God, through the Spirit sent from Christ being in us. Just as Christ did, so too, His disciples must learn obedience through suffering.

Christ promised that all Saints will experience normal tribulation, but the "great" tribulation will intensify or escalate during the Little Season which will be far worst then ever.

History proves "great tribulation" is something the Church on earth, as the representation of the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven, has been on-going, relentless, and almost constant from the moment Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God. Yes, as a testimony to the Power of Almighty God, Satan and his mighty foes have not been able, nor shall they ever be able to prevent the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven from being complete as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is proclaimed unto all the earth.

Yes, the church has always faced tribulation on earth while Satan was bound. But that is not the same as “the great tribulation” described in Matthew 24:21. You need to read the context carefully. The events Jesus describes in Matthew 24 simply do not fit the 1st century, 7th century, 18th century, or any other past period

For example:

Matthew 24:15-22
(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
(16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
(17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
(18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
(19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
(20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
(21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Now ask yourself:

Did the abomination of desolation ever occur during the first-century church? The 5th century? The 16th century? Of course not. And do you understand what winter and the sabbath day refer to in this context? Jesus ties these details directly to the time when the abomination of desolation is set up—which happens only after Satan is loosed, not before.

This means these warnings do not apply to the church throughout the centuries since the Cross, but specifically to the period when Satan is released and the abomination of desolation finally stands in the holy place—just as Daniel prophesied.
 

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It was quite evil of you to try to associate Revelation 22:18-19 with me. Do you understand that anyone who purposely adds to or takes away from the book of Revelation will be condemned? Why would you try to associate that passage with me? That shows some evil stored up in your heart that you need to remove.
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy,
and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.
 

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This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy,
and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.
Excellent job of not addressing what I said in my post, as usual.
 

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And do you understand what winter and the sabbath day refer to in this context?

Apparently, you must think you do. Therefore, why not simply tell us what those things refer to in this context? You never know, I might even agree with you here if something else in the Bible supports it. Speaking for myself, I do not take it in the literal sense where it is involving Jews in the first century nor in the final days of this age. It is involving the church. Yet, what does the church have to do with winter and the Sabbath, though? That's my 100K $ question.

My thinking in regards to fleeing the AOD that it is to flee apostacy. That it's connected with most of 2 Thessalonians 2, for example. And what is one thing that chapter is involving? Apostacy, falling away.
 

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Apparently, you must think you do. Therefore, why not simply tell us what those things refer to in this context? You never know, I might even agree with you here if something else in the Bible supports it. Speaking for myself, I do not take it in the literal sense where it is involving Jews in the first century nor in the final days of this age. It is involving the church. Yet, what does the church have to do with winter and the Sabbath, though? That's my 100K $ question.
And you will never get a good answer to that question. The context of the passage only fits a literal interpretation. There is no reasonable explanation that anyone can dream up that would explain why praying to not have to flee in the winter or on the Sabbath would make any sense in a spiritual context. If you take that in a literal context, it's very easy to explain why people would need to pray to not have to flee in the winter or on the Sabbath. Traveling by foot to the mountains would obviously be more difficult in the winter because of the cold and snow. Having to flee from Judea on the Sabbath would require someone to break the rules of the Sabbath that were enforced by the Jewish leaders and, because of that, they would face resistance if they tried to leave.

My thinking in regards to fleeing the AOD that it is to flee apostacy. That it's connected with most of 2 Thessalonians 2, for example. And what is one thing that chapter is involving? Apostacy, falling away.
How does fleeing to the mountains represent fleeing apostasy? What would the mountains represent in that case?
 
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Apparently, you must think you do. Therefore, why not simply tell us what those things refer to in this context? You never know, I might even agree with you here if something else in the Bible supports it. Speaking for myself, I do not take it in the literal sense where it is involving Jews in the first century nor in the final days of this age. It is involving the church. Yet, what does the church have to do with winter and the Sabbath, though? That's my 100K $ question.

It is a matter of receiving God’s Word with spiritual discernment. You are correct: fleeing the Abomination of Desolation has nothing to do with the Jews in 70 A.D., nor with a future event when a so-called Antichrist sets up a statue on the Temple Mount. It has nothing to do with weeping mothers or grabbing possessions from their homes.

Christ was speaking about His New Testament congregation during the brief season when Satan is allowed to act as God’s instrument to judge the unfaithful in the Church. Woe the woman who represents the Church. Her child are people of her congregation. The Children, if not saved yet, will no longer be able to suck Gospel Truth within the church for she is under judgment.

Matthew 24:19-21
  • And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
  • But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
  • For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
The context of verse 15-25 is about the spiritual condition of the church where salvation is not possible at that time.
Winter in scripture is the time of hardship, deprivation and storms where there is a lack of stores in the field. It is a time when all the harvest is done and there can be no more increase. A time when the work in the field has ended. Like the Sabbath, signifies a time of rest, when the earth rests from its work.

And that (Like the Sabbath in Matthew) it also symbolizes a time when salvation has ended on earth and there can be no more work in the field. There is no more fruits of the field to harvest. It is the time when no man can work to bring an increase.

Song of Solomon 2:11
  • "For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;"
Again, winter symbolizes a season of hardship and barrenness—a time when nothing grows. Spiritually, it represents the absence of salvation or opportunity for new life in Christ. This is why Christ warned us to pray that our flight would not be in the winter: because once winter arrives, it is too late for planting or producing anything. The time for growth has ended, and the harvest has already come and gone. For all Elect has been secured (Revelation 7:3-4) . All Israel has been saved (Romans 11:26), In other words, the season of salvation will be over, and no further opportunity will remain. So it will be for a little season of no salvation before Christ returns to gather the remaining Elect who will be still alive and remain.

Jeremiah 8:20
  • "The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved."
John 9:4
  • I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
It is a period when time has run out for man to be delivered or saved. Pray that man's flight from Judea (symbolically church) is not at a time when salvation has already ended and no man can work. Because if we are not saved then (Revelation 7:3), we will be under judgement and wrath of God.

This is "WHY" God has to seal His people first before loose Satan. And when they "see" Abomination of Desolation standing in the Holy Place (Church), flee to avoid partake of unfaithful church's plagues.

My thinking in regards to fleeing the AOD that it is to flee apostacy. That it's connected with most of 2 Thessalonians 2, for example. And what is one thing that chapter is involving? Apostacy, falling away.

Close! I am currently busy writing an article about exactly what is Abomination of Desolation and why Elect need to flee from it when they "see" it.