A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses
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Behold
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If you want to believe that there is no difference between God's Holy Spirit, as "God is A Spirit", vs a fake bible that says "God is spirit".. which proves that this book makes no distinction between The Devil's Spirit and God's... they you just help yourself to it. @Runningman ..
Even an unbeliever would understand this, but you are not able..
Im not surprised.
Rella ~ I am a woman
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Runningman
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I suspect you have some theological horse in this race and you require John 4:24 be translated differently than how the vast majority of translators have rendered it. No need to split hairs over it. Care you explain why this point is so important to you?
Runningman
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One God the Father from whom "ALL" things came. That means all things didn't come from Jesus and he isn't the Creator. Jesus is the "image" of the invisible God. The only God is the Invisible God. I hope that clears it up.Did you miss "All things were made by him"?
Colossians 1:17 , "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together".
Jesus is the glue.
What does the image of the invisible God mean?
He said, “Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God.” In other words, he is the invisible God who has come into the world, become a man, lived a human life, died a human death, risen from the dead again and gone up to heaven, where he pleads for us now, for our salvation.
The Image of the Invisible God | Colossians 1:15–23 | Gerald Bray
thegospelcoalition.org
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org › sermon › the-image...
https://www.jesusfilm.org/blog/jesus-holds-all-things-together/
https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_holding_us_together_us
https://gracewyoming.com/the-preeminence-of-christ/
Definition:
a material image, likeness, effigy, Mt. 22:20; Mk. 12:16; a representation, exact image, 1 Cor. 11:7; 15:49; Rev. 13:14f.; resemblance, Rom. 1:23; 8:29; Col. 3:10; Heb. 10:1
Colossians 1:15 He is the image (eikōn | εἰκών | nom sg fem) of the invisible God, invisible the firstborn over all creation;
εἰκών
a material image, likeness, effigy, Mt. 22:20; Mk. 12:16; a representation, exact image, 1 Cor. 11:7; 15:49; Rev. 13:14f.; resemblance, Rom. 1:23; 8:29; Col. 3:10; Heb. 10:1www.billmounce.com
1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
1 Timothy 1
17Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
Colossians 1
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You,[Father] the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
Behold
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I suspect that you dont care if a book says that God is spirit, vs a Bible that teaches that "God is A Spirit".
A.) The HOLY Spirit
Keep proving it. @Runningman
rebuilder 454
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Whatever it is they believe, they are told to believe it.
They have to believe the watchtower workbooks and leaders, no matter what the bible says.
Even their "spontaneity" is canned and from what replies are "appropriate"
Pure cult propaganda parrots.
rebuilder 454
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...but then leave out the part that he did create all things.
Yep
Pure canned propaganda anti Christ spirit denying the testimony of the word of God.
Behold
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They are exactly like Catholics, or Mormons, or Calvinists.
They all do it.
= "stuck on repeat".
rebuilder 454
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Your "conclusions"...mental conclusions, only exist via omission of the deity of Jesus verses.
You know ...the ones your nose was stuck in a hundred times?
Keep pretending and dodging.
It is in your training for sure.
Runningman
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Other versions of the Bible than your preferred one aren't just a book. I think you're just demonstrating contempt for the Scriptures you disagree with.
Runningman
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God is always God. If God can be demonstrated to not be God then He wouldn't be God would He? So what's your workaround for all of the scriptures that disprove your assertions?
Runningman
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There is no part to leave out. What you're saying, though worded slightly different than the scripture, is enough to change the meaning of what Colossians 1:16 says entirely. Take another look at it
God created "through" Jesus. The entire context of this passage refers to the instrumentality of Jesus in the creation of the church.
16For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.
Keiw
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Catholicism own encyclopedia says-No trinity was served in a christians life prior to the end of the 4th century, and the apostolic Fathers knew nothing of God being a trinity. Guess what Catholicism was there in the 4th century. Its fact. So no church Fathers taught a trinity prior to Catholicism adding the holy spirit to a godhead of 3 in 381 ce. In the 2nd century Tertullian was considering that God might be a trinity, all the while the single being God was still being served. These are facts of reality, recorded undeniable history.
But the JW Bible teaches that Jesus is God, SEVERAL times! Even tho the WatchTower tried to hide it.
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rebuilder 454
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amigo de christo
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God spoke and his word , his essence created . But let us take note
IF GOD said LET THERE BE LIGHT
notice ONLY , ONLY LIGHT was created . the word did not create light and then all of a sudden was creating trees and etc .
THE WORD DO THAT WHICH IS SPOKEN . it can do no more and no less .
THERE is the reason WHY JESUS said NO MAN KNOWETH the DAY NOR THE HOUR
the LORD DO COME , That only THE FATHER KNOWETH .
GOD AINT SPOKE IT YET . but when HE DO , mark my words , ON THAT DAY THE WORD SHALL COME , TO JUDGE THIS EARTH .
GOD IS HIS WORD and HIS WORD be HE . BUT ONLY WHAT HE SPEAKS does the WORD .
amigo de christo
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AS THE FATHER SPEAKS SO DOES THE WORD , THE SON .
GOD be HIS OWN ESSENCE , GOD BE HIS OWN WORD . and JESUS IS THAT WORD . that is a fact .
GOD be HIS OWN ESSENCE , GOD BE HIS OWN WORD . and JESUS IS THAT WORD . that is a fact .
rebuilder 454
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12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
The beautiful savior.
The creator of everything visible and invisible.
Eyes like flames of fire.
I WORSHIP YOU JESUS.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
The beautiful savior.
The creator of everything visible and invisible.
Eyes like flames of fire.
I WORSHIP YOU JESUS.
amigo de christo
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IF GOD said let there be trees , JESUS THE WORD the ESSENCE OF GOD created the trees
GOD IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT and JESUS IS that ESSENCE itself . that too be a fact .
So the next time folks try to deny the diety of CHRIST lets NOT DO THAT shall we .
SURE we might not understand or grasp the total understanding of this
but lets not deny what even JOHN HIMSELF once wrote many , many moons ago in a time
of the beginning of the preaching of the true gospel .
THAT IN THE BEGINNING was the WORD and that the WORD was WITH GOD and that GOD IS THE WORD . lets not deny folks .
GOD IS HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT and JESUS IS that ESSENCE itself . that too be a fact .
So the next time folks try to deny the diety of CHRIST lets NOT DO THAT shall we .
SURE we might not understand or grasp the total understanding of this
but lets not deny what even JOHN HIMSELF once wrote many , many moons ago in a time
of the beginning of the preaching of the true gospel .
THAT IN THE BEGINNING was the WORD and that the WORD was WITH GOD and that GOD IS THE WORD . lets not deny folks .
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