A question on forgiveness

[Dan Clarkston]

many within it are of this reformed theology . many of them are prosperity preachers

Yes and most of those claim they have nothing to do with reformed theology and yet their teachings reflect that they are in agreement with it

And concerning prosperity, you did not understand that it was God's idea for His people to prosper in every area of their lives? The devil is the one deceiving people to believe God wants His people to be poor so they will have less influence in the world so the devil and his crowd's influence can grow.

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth
(being healthy is also the will of the Lord)

God's Word provides instructions on how to handle financial prosperity along with warnings on what not to do concerning financial prosperity so we know it's not against the will of the Lord for His people to be financially prosperous.

It's always odd that people come along and claim God wants all His people to be dirt poor and those making these false claims all live in a nice home, they have plenty of clothes to wear and food to eat, most of them have more than one car and numerous electronic devices so they are hypocrites because they are living well themselves while claiming living well is sinful.

 

[CrowCross]

It's always odd that people come along and claim God wants all His people to be dirt poor and those making these false claims all live in a nice home,

Are you saying if you are against the "prosperity gospel"....name it a claim it....those people want all of God children to be dirt poor?
That they all live in nice homes???? (whatever a nice home is)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Trivia question time .
How did they react when they saw sin and error within their churches .
Remember paul had given them warning so as they would repent before He came and had to bring
the ROD .
Now imagine if paul had the technology , WE Do today , and could see
all of what was going on in forums . OH i bet he would be warning double time
Even making me look like a powder fluff .
Cause believe you me , i see sin and error all over the place and worse
I dont see folks co rrecting it . IN fact i see the most deadliest thing of all
being allowed to remain . False gospels , justificiation of sins even .
You can bet all you own if paul was here today .............
lets just say YALL would be running for me to save you FROM HIM . You think i warn
and am grave . PLease i fall far short . You s hould have seen JESUS in action
and the apostels in action . Read acts . You see .
I do a gree , its not all about jus warning . but friend , when you see sin
You gotta warn somebody . In fact if i had more help here
And all were more serious about sin and error , we had also had more time to
focus on praises and encourag ments too .
ALso we live in a day and an age wherein this mystery of inquity , OH its blossomed .
But the problem is when anyone tries to correct it , they get seen as nohtin g but a hater
And the ones pumping even false gospels , allowed to remain . OF course its not our site
SO we cannot remove them . But we sure can join together and warn against such doctrine .

So have y0uo been appointed by God to go and root out all teh sin in these churches? Or are you busy just complaining about it here?

Yes in the churches of god there is lots of sin, because the churches are filled with people. But it is up to the local pastors ad elders to deal with the congregations they are appointed shepherds over. Not a forum where we can complain about how imperfect churches are.

Personally I tire of people going on you tube, other social medias and even forums talking all about how evil the people of God and the phony people of God are. I remember this parable:

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Unless we have an appointed responsibility to poinjt out tares among the wheat, let us go forth sowing precious seed and let the appointed shepherds care for the flock.

We can talk about bad doctrine and even those who promote it, but we must tread this ground with care.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Here is a question . Did you know that right now
we have both a love and a peace that the false religoins and a lot of christendom are all beleiving is of GOD .
Did you know that .
Its a love , claimed to be of G OD , and its bringing all religoins and yes even christendom
together as they pump out also a peace . And they all beleive it to be of GOD .
And yet i have easily examined it . IT is ANTI GOD , ANTI CHRIST .
No doubt about this at all my friend . And guess what all b rought it in ...........THE ECUMEINCAL MOVMENT DID .
Ever wonder why i am warning ag ainst it so much .
YES , in fact if you find this hard to beleive
THEN take the time to examine it for YOU . THEY have all been using the word LOVE a lot .
EVEN all of them , muslims , buddists , chrisitanity , jews , All being shown
saying GOD is love and giving messages of how we even serving the SAME GOD
and this is his peace plan for the world . KINDA ODD dont ya think
SEEING their interreligious dialgoue peace TOTALLY LIED TO ALL religoins as well as christendom
GUESS what got omitted in this big ol lov e , this big ol peace plan . THE GOSPEL DID . flat out DENIED .
But more and more of the false religoins , and woe woe woe , even christendom now buys into this .
AS IF GOD , AS IF HIS LOVE or HIS PEACE , DENIES HIS OWN GOSPEL . someone getting lied to ronald .
I tried to warn us , satan can say GOD is love and i darn sure know
he , this so called anti christ , SETS UP A PEACE plan and by IT DESTROYS MANY .
That is why i been warning non stop about thsi inclusive god , this all inclusive god . ITS satan .
OH IT SOUNDS LOVING to the decieved . SOUNDS Like one big lovey do g od that just desires good for us all .
ONLY PROBLEM IS , JESUS BEEN DENIED . UNBELIEF dont work to teh GOOD of anyone . satan is a liar ronald .
And a smooth talker that one is .

Yes i know all about this. I have done seminars on the danger of ecumenism and the coming one world super religion. we are not going to stop this from happening, no matter how many rooftops we scream it from. It is not our job to point out eh false but to elevate the true!

Treasury agents learn to spot counterfeit bills by studying the true bills so hard that it becomes natural and easy to spot counterfeit.

Remember the Words of Jesus:

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

When we are in the master fields, we are to fucus on harvesting teh wheat and pointing out and avoiding the tares. NOt have you tube videos weekly airing Christendoms dirty laundry to the world.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Are you saying if you are against the "prosperity gospel"....name it a claim it....those people want all of God children to be dirt poor?

I'm saying they are ignorant of what God's Word teaches about it being God's will that His people prosper not just financially but in every area of life. They get all upset about rich people while they themselves are seeking material things in their lives while they are barking about how having material stuff is sinful.

The love of money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10) and there are people that have no money that are guilty of loving money and so they rail against anybody that has money. Notice God's W0ord does not say money itself is evil. No, the Lord says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil and most who are poor have the love of money thinking li9fe would be good if they just had some money

Concerning name it claim it... if God promises something in His Word and I claim that as being true for me based on God's promise and I walk in it and get what God promised, then that is biblical Christianity.

Those that believe the Lord does not want His people to prosper or to be healthy have been deceived by the devil in to being blinded by what God's Word teaches on these topics.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Are you saying if you are against the "prosperity gospel"....name it a claim it....those people want all of God children to be dirt poor?
That they all live in nice homes???? (whatever a nice home is)

No! what people are saying is the prosperity gospel is a false gospel! There is nothing wrong with being wealthy if it gotten honestly. But ewe must pay careful attention to the words of God through Paul:

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1 Timothy 6:7-9

King James Version

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7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

 

[CrowCross]

I'm saying they are ignorant of what God's Word teaches about it being God's will that His people prosper not just financially but in every area of life. They get all upset about rich people while they themselves are seeking material things in their lives while they are barking about how having material stuff is sinful.

The love of money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10) and there are people that have no money that are guilty of loving money and so they rail against anybody that has money. Notice God's W0ord does not say money itself is evil. No, the Lord says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil and most who are poor have the love of money thinking li9fe would be good if they just had some money

Concerning name it claim it... if God promises something in His Word and I claim that as being true for me based on God's promise and I walk in it and get what God promised, then that is biblical Christianity.

Those that believe the Lord does not want His people to prosper or to be healthy have been deceived by the devil in to being blinded by what God's Word teaches on these topics.

Thank you for clearing up your position.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

So you believe ytou are sinlessly perfect then and do not transgress! WOW! The first perfect person on earth!

 

[CrowCross]

No! what people are saying is the prosperity gospel is a false gospel! There is nothing wrong with being wealthy if it gotten honestly. But ewe must pay careful attention to the words of God through Paul:

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1 Timothy 6:7-9​

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King James Version​

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7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

I agree...money isn't God.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So you believe you are sinlessly perfect then and do not transgress! WOW! The first perfect person on earth!

So you believe you are a sinner and cannot ever stop sinning. Lots of false doctrine like that going around. Sinners are of the devil.

Those advocating for sin out themselves as the tares Jesus warned about seeing they reject the whole counsel of the Lord as they fundamentally misunderstand the Gospel due to having been taught dead, carnal minded religious traditions rather then what the Lord teaches in His Word.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

I agree...money isn't God.

Money is a tool. Jesus and the Apostles all handled money.

This world runs on money so no it is not to be put first place in one's life (which would be idolatry).

Try to get along in this life without money and see how it works out.

 

[rockytopva]

Avoiding evil...

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. - Jude 1:9

8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; - Titus 3

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called. - 1 Timothy 6:20

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. - 2 Timothy 2:23

I have read that, "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject" is a famous instruction from the Bible—specifically Titus 3:10 in the King James Version (KJV). It means that if someone in the church is persistently divisive or teaches false doctrines, you should firmly warn them twice. If they refuse to change, you must distance yourself from them

Avoiding evil... Distancing yourself from people.... Good idea! Forgive? Yes! But you are not required to build a fellowship with people you feel warned over.

 

[CrowCross]

So you believe you are a sinner and cannot ever stop sinning. Lots of false doctrine like that going around. Sinners are of the devil.

Those advocating for sin out themselves as the tares Jesus warned about seeing they reject the whole counsel of the Lord as they fundamentally misunderstand the Gospel due to having been taught dead, carnal minded religious traditions rather then what the Lord teaches in His Word.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

I don't think I need to add any commentary....Paul still sinned.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. 17In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Money is a tool. Jesus and the Apostles all handled money.

This world runs on money so no it is not to be put first place in one's life (which would be idolatry).

Try to get along in this life without money and see how it works out.

Just imagine if you miss the rapture.....and become a christian in the tribulation and have to deal with Rev 13.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Paul still sinned.

Was he out getting drunk? Running with hookers and dope fiends?

What kind of sinful behavior was Paul in to as he refused to be led of the Lord in your estimation?

Romans 7 man is not a Christian. That's not someone speaking that has been born again and washed in the Blood of Jesus. Romans 7 man tells us he is sold under sin, so we know he's not born again

The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading

Just imagine if you miss the rapture.....and become a christian in the tribulation and have to deal with Rev 13.

That's what the devil keeps saying - depart from God's promises and imagine turning away from the Lord having been left behind. I don't follow the devil. Sorry.

 

[Fred J]

Hello everyone, let me explain:

When I was a teen, I was bullied. I was always crying. This one person always made fun of me crying. This other person would make fun of me since I like Garfield (The comic cat). Years rolled by, one of the people tried to friend me on Facebook, but I denied his friend request. The other was called home.
I hated both of them & wanted to get back at them, but God told me to forgive them since I want to be forgiven. My question can I forgive them & not talk to them? Will I still be forgiven by God?

i thank GOD because of our Lord Jesus Christ, that HE helped you come out of all the bullying fine.

Because i believe many have been affected by this bullying and did not come out fine and turn rogues.

May GOD because of our Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy, help and bless these people, including the bullies themselves.

Even in true Christendom here on earth, there are bullies worldwide, even by violence try to take the Kingdom of GOD, the church by force.

And the worst enemy or foe, Jesus disciple us about, is one from your own household, that is in Christendom itself.

In your case, you will have to forgive them, pray for them, bless them, yet stay away from them since we're called to be unequally yoked with unbelievers.

Jesus also disciple us that He sends us among a pack of wolves, but be wise as serpants and innocent as doves.

Meaning, evade them the best you can wisely as serpants do and escape when you see them coming innocently as doves.

We have no choice but to forgive, refuse offense and store no offense, because out of the abundance of our sins GOD forgiven and forgiving us.

Jesus Himself innocent, holy and righteous, forgave those who did very bad things even had Him crucified, saying, "For they knew not what they do."

"Forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

It's easy said than done, i agree, but partly that's only the way, the truth and the life to the FATHER who art in Heaven.

The gathering of true saints or true church can pray and fast and support you in these good tiding from above in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I agree...money isn't God.

So you believe you are a sinner and cannot ever stop sinning. Lots of false doctrine like that going around. Sinners are of the devil.

Those advocating for sin out themselves as the tares Jesus warned about seeing they reject the whole counsel of the Lord as they fundamentally misunderstand the Gospel due to having been taught dead, carnal minded religious traditions rather then what the Lord teaches in His Word.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.





Money is a tool. Jesus and the Apostles all handled money.

This world runs on money so no it is not to be put first place in one's life (which would be idolatry).

Try to get along in this life without money and see how it works out.

I will respond to your statments when you answer my question.

Do you now believe you are living a completely sinless life in thought word and deed 24/7/365?

 

[Behold]

Romans 7 man is not a Christian. That's not someone speaking that has been born again and washed in the Blood of Jesus. Romans 7 man tells us he is sold under sin, so we know he's not born again

Actually Paul is a Christian in Romans 7, and he is simply teaching by testimony regarding his struggling with the "law".
He's teaching believers who are trying to please God by works, commandment keeping, and self effort to try to BE SAVED...that all this produces is : "that which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, is what i do".
In Rom 8:1 Paul explains the solution.

"there is now no condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST".

Reader,
....remember that when you read these Letters by Paul or by any other Apostle........they didnt write them as "Chapter 1, Chapter 2".
They wrote them as LETTERS.....and that means that its all one letter.... and there is no "chapter 7" and then "Chapter 8" as this was all added by the Translators.
So, "chapter 7 and chapter 8" are all a part of one letter.

Now, the REVELATiON that Paul is trying to get accoss.... is showing us what happens when we don't have this correct knowledge YET, regarding whom we have become in Christ and are trying to vainly perform for God to be accepted by God, which God does not accept.

We find this same carnal type on forums, who also don't understand The Blood Atonement, which is the Grace of God.......and that is why they endlessly talk about sin and keeping law commandments and comfessing sin.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Because i believe many have been affected by this bullying and did not come out fine and turn rogues.

Yeah being bullied by other kids is one thing.

What if you had been bullied by a step father that had demonic outbursts.

Some wished that they had only been bullied by other kids in their age group instead of adults.

 

[Taken]

Hello everyone, let me explain:

When I was a teen, I was bullied. I was always crying. This one person always made fun of me crying. This other person would make fun of me since I like Garfield (The comic cat). Years rolled by, one of the people tried to friend me on Facebook, but I denied his friend request. The other was called home.
I hated both of them & wanted to get back at them, but God told me to forgive them since I want to be forgiven. My question can I forgive them & not talk to them? Will I still be forgiven by God?

Bullying … on it face IS: the works of an person themselves who has “insecurity issues”.

( Doesn’t matter if they “outwardly” (surface) appear:
poor, well to do, popular, handsome, talented, smart, etc. …
* Inside…they struggle…and particularly “children are too immature” to land on a solution for their own “insecurities”… and resort to “making ANY other a target for the “insecure kid” to “Feel elevated in Approval”.

Point being… the Bullying, was NOT About “you” per’se…rather About your “reaction”.
Negative reaction?
Was the “goal”…to elevate the instigators own security.

I would say…the fine line between “teasing and bullying”… is a MAJOR issue all kids will sometime…experience…
Being the Instigator OR Receiver…and Having Very little Actual Parental guidance of what is really happening and How to effectively Deal with it….which hinges on learning how to turn a negative into a positive…
AND Hard…
Because, remember… the “insecure” are doing their best to HIDE that, to avoid being a target.

Forgive them their Trespasses? Sure.
Face to Face? If opportunity presents itself.
Not Face to Face? Sure. Which Satisfies God, who will Also forgive your Trespasses ( you knowingly or unknowingly ) committed Against others.

Note…
Had you known…”to say to your tormentors”…Garfield was a character created by a Very Talented, Famed, Respected “Adult”, for All ages of Comedy Enjoyment … and “too bad” they didn’t understand “providing comedy” for the young and old is A gifted talent.

Peace.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Actually Paul is a Christian in Romans 7, and he is simply teaching by testimony regarding his struggling with the "law".
He's teaching believers who are trying to please God by works, commandment keeping, and self effort to try to BE SAVED...that all this produces is : "that which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, is what i do".
In Rom 8:1 Paul explains the solution.

"there is now no condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST".

Reader,
....remember that when you read these Letters by Paul or by any other Apostle........they didnt write them as "Chapter 1, Chapter 2".
They wrote them as LETTERS.....and that means that its all one letter.... and there is no "chapter 7" and then "Chapter 8" as this was all added by the Translators.
So, "chapter 7 and chapter 8" are all a part of one letter.

Now, the REVELATiON that Paul is trying to get accoss.... is showing us what happens when we don't have this correct knowledge YET, regarding whom we have become in Christ and are trying to vainly perform for God to be accepted by God, which God does not accept.

We find this same carnal type on forums, who also don't understand The Blood Atonement, which is the Grace of God.......and that is why they endlessly talk about sin and keeping law commandments and comfessing sin.

Paul Often used himself as an example…
Before / During / After his own Experiences, Feelings, Results, during each phase…
Against Christ…
With Christ…
IN Christ…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So you believe you are a sinner and cannot ever stop sinning. Lots of false doctrine like that going around. Sinners are of the devil.

Those advocating for sin out themselves as the tares Jesus warned about seeing they reject the whole counsel of the Lord as they fundamentally misunderstand the Gospel due to having been taught dead, carnal minded religious traditions rather then what the Lord teaches in His Word.

Third time I am asking. So do you believe you are living a continuously sinless life in thought word and deed 24/7/365?