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What do you mean none of Israel lines up with your studies?
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What do you mean none of Israel lines up with your studies?
i understand what your saying..BUTTTTTTTTTTTT the Bible is for us the gentiles who have been grafted in . we have the same privileges same responsibility /accountability as the messianic Jew . when it comes to being saved and the word it does not matter what nationality we are/. the only thing that matters is that our name is written down in the book of life. Grace is for everyone .
you covered that it was a reference as per i felt you was referring to being a Israelite for salvation.
what did jesus say? Godly sorrow brings repentance -------
2 Corinthians 7:10
10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces deathmy point is there must be repentance in our walk,, turn from its part of our sanctification. could it be said of me if i went to the bar every night and left with a different women. then return home afterwards, and go to Church every Sunday.. with out changing thats my point if we say the lord does not chastise us.. that makes us a illegitimate child . the entire key is that we wont sin.. but that we will return home from the pig pen . repentance is part of our walk
are you saying there is two different rules two different gospels? one for the Jew one for the gentile ? because that is what it appears you are saying . on judgment day i do not find a judgement strictly for the saved jew and a judgement for the gentiles non jews , as per unction 1 john 2
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
This has been a very convoluted discussion, but not in a negative sense as I am enjoying it, so I am not sure why you would say this. What did I say for you to conclude I said there are different rules or gospels?
would this be the nature of a true blue Child of God.. ? what did paul write in Romans 6 ?
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
i am not the Judge of salvation i am only a watchman blowing the trumpet of alarm .. there is head salvation and then there is heart salvation. my entire point is we simply can NOT live like hell everyday of our life. never change and still claim salvation. if i put a roof on your home and it leaked in every room.. would you want to say i was a roofer ? the tree the fruit we bear
[1 John 2:20 KJV] "But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things."
I noticed you cited an unction but was hesitant to bring it up. I assume you meant you could discern a true believer from false.
Once again you are applying what was given to believing Israel to yourself as 1 John was written to believing Israel not us the church
i am a very straight forward person.. to be honest i am not a writer.. my grammar is enough to cause a English teacher to take 3 aspirin for a headache..
i need you to clarify your post . i always give everyone the benefit of the doubt i do see things in a different manner i try to take everything and put it on a shelf of understanding. so as there is no mistake. in what i say.
I would be glad to, but I dont know what you want me to clarify. Please elaborate what you want me to clarify
for the Most we can the Holy spirit will let you know. i live in the country we have rattle snakes copperheads water moccasins and what we call the cotton mouth.. if i see them i know to leave them alone.. the unction is to know the truth. aka discernment . its for our use but not for judging heaven or hell as per who goes who dont
i have been around in the ministry 26 years .i have dealt with and observed all kinds people.. many that i see a red flag of caution .
so yes we can determine true from fake . what is good what is not Good .those with red flag you move on just like the snakes that are poison. only around here if isee a posion snake and have something to kill it with.. i will even though in Missouri its against the law to kill them.
Once again you are applying what was given to believing Israel to yourself. The Holy Spirit only speaks to us thru the Word
no discernment is a gift of the spirit. it is the spirit the spirit of truth that tells us things. your giving to Israel is a splinting of ways . if that be the case Jesus was solely given to Israel . he says He will save his people from there sins. . but we know john 3:16 tells different . as per the unction its for us there is a host of false teachers out there . Isiah in chapter 8 i think it is wrote if their testimony is not according. to the word there is no light in them . the word and spirit is our guide so i have to respectfully disagree
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