2 Thess 2:4 " Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." This is the verse of scripture most would use to state that a Temple must be built (or rebuilt) in Jerusalem. There are four words used in the Greek language for Temple in the New Testament they are hieron, naos,oikos and eldoleion. And there are four times in four different verses The Apostle Paul uses the term " Temple Of God " the above 2 Thess 2:4 passage 1 Cor 3:16, 1 Cor 3:17,and 2 Cor 6:16 in all four verses the Greek word for Temple is naos, and in all three of the Corinthian verses it is made clear that we of the Church are the "The Temple Of God". Why not believe that 2 Thess 2:4 is speaking of we the Church as "The Temple Of God"?
A Third Temple In Jerusalem.
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I am not sure I did that quote thing right but...
We know about the red heifer... but understand; if the Jews decide to use a watermelon to begin their Daily Sacrifice it would not stop the sacrifice's validity, as the true sacrifice was given on the cross, The Jew,s however consider a red heifer manditory to begin such a daily sacrifice. This use of a watermelon was to identify my Cheistain belief untarnished by the understanding that the Jews will want to use a red heifer. Who are these children of the devil spoken about by Jesus? These are Jews that do not accept Jesus before Jesus returns. The Jews that do and will accept Jesus before he reurns will be o the flock od Christ. There is no conflict in being Christain and understanding that a Daily Sacrifice must be and a 3rd Temple must be.
The 3rd Temple said to be Israel may have some truth to it, but the rebuilding of the 3rd temple is a physical rebuilding of an actual temple. Mohammed was said to have ascended to heaven on a horse from the rock residing inside the Dome of the Rock. Consider then that when Satan is cast out of Heaven the last time he arrives at the same place where Mohamed ascended... the area of the courtyard.. and inside the Temple istelf and probably inside the inner-sanctum. It is after the Jews figure out he is not the Messiah that they then realze the Temple needs cleansing. This issue has been so over-thought that the obvious has been obscured. There is to be a 3rd Temple, an actual Temple. When you conider Israel as the 3rd Temple, then you must fit the Jews acceptance of Jesus inside that 42 months, For the "church" is finished. However, the Jews do not accept Christ until just before Armageddon.
The confirming of a covenant is the re-establishment of a covenant...one that was already made. When was the covenant made? The covenant was made 30 days prior to the setting of the corner stone that begins Tribulation. What is in that covenant? The right for the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple. Who makes this covenant? The Anti-christ makes the coevnant. Who confirms the coevnant? The anti-christ and Satan confirms the coevnant when the abomination of desolation is ccmmitted. The antichrist is not "strong" enough to kill the two witnesses... it will take Satan, himself, to kill them, (yes, the two witnesses aretwo people). Why does Satan have an image of the anti-christ made? The image is made because the anti-christ no longer has a body because Satan took that body. Where does Satan get the lif from that he gives to the image of the beast? The life is that of the best whose body Satan took.
I feel sorry for the Preterists here that are bent on denying the signs of the end our Lord Jesus gave that are happening right now, instead of wishful thinking that Christ's Kingdom is already manifested in toto in this world. Today's present world is falling apart, turning ever darker and darker. Many who once believed on Christ Jesus are falling away to other things. And revealed religion from God's Word is being replaced with social religion, and joining with other world religions.
Preterism denies that the signs Christ gave His in Matt.24 and Mark 13 are meant for the very end of this world. Preterists consistently treat those signs as being fulfilled by the Romans in 70 A.D.
The Reason Christ's Enemies Are Behind That Preterist Doctrine of Men:
1. It serves the globalist's attempt to form 'their' Utopian dream on earth, a dream the occult fraternities have had for centuries. If they can get the Christian to deny any need for a future return of our Lord Jesus and literal establishing of His Kingdom on earth, then they can get you to put your faith in their Utopian dream instead. This is the reason the Preterist Doctrine denies the signs in our Lord's Olivet Discourse as being still yet future.
2. If they can get you to believe that Christ's second coming is a spiritual coming only, then they can get you to deny any need for Christ's future literal return to this earth as written. Once again, the purpose for that would be to get you to trust in the Utopia now dream of globalists that deny Christ Jesus. (Full Preterism believes Christ's second coming is over, and that it was a spiritual coming only).
3. If they can get you to believe that the pope is the Antichrist, then they can get you away from Scripture warning about a future coming of a final Antichrist that will work great signs and wonders on earth, and cause the majority of the world to bow in false worship to him.
4. If they can get you to believe that all those Matt.24 signs were fulilled in 70 A.D., then they can get away from watching for Christ's future literal return to this earth. It will also turn you away from the many prophecies God gave us for the end of this world, that are still yet to be fulfilled.
5. If they can get you on their Preterist boat, then you very well may not be prepared to make a stand for Jesus when the false messiah/Antichrist does arrive. (Partial Preterism still believes a literal return of Christ is still expecting).
Preterism denies that the signs Christ gave His in Matt.24 and Mark 13 are meant for the very end of this world. Preterists consistently treat those signs as being fulfilled by the Romans in 70 A.D.
The Reason Christ's Enemies Are Behind That Preterist Doctrine of Men:
1. It serves the globalist's attempt to form 'their' Utopian dream on earth, a dream the occult fraternities have had for centuries. If they can get the Christian to deny any need for a future return of our Lord Jesus and literal establishing of His Kingdom on earth, then they can get you to put your faith in their Utopian dream instead. This is the reason the Preterist Doctrine denies the signs in our Lord's Olivet Discourse as being still yet future.
2. If they can get you to believe that Christ's second coming is a spiritual coming only, then they can get you to deny any need for Christ's future literal return to this earth as written. Once again, the purpose for that would be to get you to trust in the Utopia now dream of globalists that deny Christ Jesus. (Full Preterism believes Christ's second coming is over, and that it was a spiritual coming only).
3. If they can get you to believe that the pope is the Antichrist, then they can get you away from Scripture warning about a future coming of a final Antichrist that will work great signs and wonders on earth, and cause the majority of the world to bow in false worship to him.
4. If they can get you to believe that all those Matt.24 signs were fulilled in 70 A.D., then they can get away from watching for Christ's future literal return to this earth. It will also turn you away from the many prophecies God gave us for the end of this world, that are still yet to be fulfilled.
5. If they can get you on their Preterist boat, then you very well may not be prepared to make a stand for Jesus when the false messiah/Antichrist does arrive. (Partial Preterism still believes a literal return of Christ is still expecting).
In the Olivet Discourse brought forth im Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, As the "disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the Temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples (Peter, Andrew James and John) came unto Him privately, saying, TELL US, WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE? AND WHAT SHALL BE THE SIGN OF THY COMING, AND OF THE END OF THE WORLD? My question is why those who are dispensationalist seem to teach that Jesus completely avoids the first of the two questions brought forth to Him ( TELL US , WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE ? speaking of the destuction of the temple, the very temple Jesus taught in and they were looking at during this discourse). For in Matt 24 and Mark 13 as Jesus answers this FIRST question, speaking of the destruction of The Temple and of the City of Jerusalem, many dispensationalist say Jesus is speaking of somthing that will happen in the yet still future when in fact He spoke of the destuction of the Temple and the City of Jerusalem which occured in 70 A.D. when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. I Think this is made clear in Luke's account of the Olivet Discourse in Luke 21. It seems to me that some cannot or would not see that Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are parallel accounts of the same Discourse.
-- It is prophecied so it will be built.
There appears to be room for the temple next to Al Aqsa so it is likely to be built there.
It's because the ONLY sign He gave there that was fulfilled in 70 A.D. was the destruction of the 2nd temple. If yet another 3rd temple is built in our days, it will mean the one in 70 A.D. was only a prophetic blueprint of destruction.
Signs He gave that were NOT fulfilled then in 70 A.D.:
1. Our Lord Jesus did NOT then return, which is clearly written how He returns at His second coming.
2. The Romans did not setup ANY "abomination of desolation" in the temple. (The temple caught fire before they could get inside it, per the Jewish historian Josephus).
3. The sign that end of wars would mark the end has still not happened yet today.
4. The sign that His elect would be delivered up to give a Testimony for Him did not happen in 70 A.D.
5. The mass of people that were under persecution by the Romans in 70 A.D. were unbelieving Jews, NOT Christians who believe on Jesus Christ, which is who the tribulation warning is given to.
6. A false messiah coming to work great signs and wonders so that it would almost deceive His own elect did not appear in 70 A.D. Jerusalem.
7. The Gospel of Jesus Christ had not yet then been preached to all nations. Instead, it was just getting started with Christ's disciples going to the nations.
8. The event of two in the field, one taken and the other left, did not happen in 70 A.D.
9. The sign of Heaven and earth passing away did not occur in 70 A.D., which is a sign about the destruction of man's order off this earth at Christ's second coming, per 2 Peter 3:10.
10. The Mount of Olives was not split in two with Christ returning there, as written in Zechariah 14 and Acts 1.
Let's see, that's 10 signs Christ gave there that did NOT happen in 70 A.D. vs. one sign of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem that did happen. Which interpretation makes more sense? It's a no brainer, the majority of those things were to be fulfilled at a later date, at the actual ending of this present world.
Oh, and I am not a Dispensationalist. That understanding comes from simply reading and heeding the Scripture as written.
Luke 21:20-24
King James Version (KJV)
[sup]20[/sup]And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
[sup]21[/sup]Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
[sup]22[/sup]For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
[sup]23[/sup]But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
[sup]24[/sup]And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:15-22
King James Version (KJV)
[sup]15[/sup]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
[sup]16[/sup]Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[sup]17[/sup]Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[sup]18[/sup]Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[sup]19[/sup]And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[sup]20[/sup]But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[sup]21[/sup]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[sup]22[/sup]And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mark 13:14-20
King James Version (KJV)
[sup]14[/sup]But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
[sup]15[/sup]And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
[sup]16[/sup]And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
[sup]17[/sup]But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[sup]18[/sup]And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
[sup]19[/sup]For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
[sup]20[/sup]And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
Veteran, do you believe that the three groups of verses from the Olivet Discourse given above are parallel accounts of the same Prophecy which have been fulfilled in 70 A.D. with the destuction of Jerusalem and the Temple by Titus and the Roman army?
King James Version (KJV)
[sup]20[/sup]And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
[sup]21[/sup]Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
[sup]22[/sup]For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
[sup]23[/sup]But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
[sup]24[/sup]And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:15-22
King James Version (KJV)
[sup]15[/sup]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
[sup]16[/sup]Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[sup]17[/sup]Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[sup]18[/sup]Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[sup]19[/sup]And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[sup]20[/sup]But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[sup]21[/sup]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[sup]22[/sup]And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mark 13:14-20
King James Version (KJV)
[sup]14[/sup]But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
[sup]15[/sup]And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
[sup]16[/sup]And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
[sup]17[/sup]But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[sup]18[/sup]And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
[sup]19[/sup]For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
[sup]20[/sup]And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
Veteran, do you believe that the three groups of verses from the Olivet Discourse given above are parallel accounts of the same Prophecy which have been fulfilled in 70 A.D. with the destuction of Jerusalem and the Temple by Titus and the Roman army?
revturmoil
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NOPE. You should have realized the "days of vengeance" is about Christ's second coming, per the Isa.61 prophecy. Now there were some that fled Judea in 70 A.D. when the Romans attacked Jerusalem. But the Romans only serve as a blueprint, just as there have been something like 27 different sieges of Jerusalem by different armies in the past. Yet the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies in final is about the Zeph.3:9 and Zech.14 event which is for the very end of this world when Christ's second coming will occur.
Rev.11:1-2, and 2 Thess.2:3-4, and Matt.24:15, and Mark 13:14, and Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
revturmoil
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Revelation 11:1 ¶And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
In Revelation 11, the Apostle John was instructed to measure the temple. "But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months." (Rev. 11:2) These 42 months, or three and one half years, make up the time of the great tribulation, the time when the Assyrian antichrist will trample on the holy city, Jerusalem. The abomination will be set up in the outer courts, the court of the Gentiles, on a wing of the temple. It is likely that one of the Islamic sights is already located there. This doesn't mean a temple need to be rebuilt. The religious complex of the Dome is sufficient to fulfill this prophecy.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 ¶Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Temple in this verse = Strong's # 3485
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem,
2) any heathen temple or shrine
Vine's Expository dictionary of New Testament words say's,
Shrine:
This word is also used in the book of Acts to describe the temple that the idol stood in. Sorry. This doesn't mean a temple needs to be rebuilt!
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
The holy place...not a rebuilt temple!
Mark 13:14 (NIV84)
14 "When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
How in the world does Mark 14 support the rebuilding of a temple??? It doesn't!
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
A better translation of Daniel 9:27. The word temple isn't used!
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
FYI...This covenant isn't a peace treaty.
31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Sanctuary means "sacred place" not a temple.
And again. How do you come up with the rebuilding of a temple???
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
So what you're saying is that a temple needs to be rebuilt so that animal sacrifes can resume only to have them cease!
I don't fall for that!
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
In Revelation 11, the Apostle John was instructed to measure the temple. "But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months." (Rev. 11:2) These 42 months, or three and one half years, make up the time of the great tribulation, the time when the Assyrian antichrist will trample on the holy city, Jerusalem. The abomination will be set up in the outer courts, the court of the Gentiles, on a wing of the temple. It is likely that one of the Islamic sights is already located there. This doesn't mean a temple need to be rebuilt. The religious complex of the Dome is sufficient to fulfill this prophecy.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 ¶Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Temple in this verse = Strong's # 3485
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem,
2) any heathen temple or shrine
Vine's Expository dictionary of New Testament words say's,
Shrine:
This word is also used in the book of Acts to describe the temple that the idol stood in. Sorry. This doesn't mean a temple needs to be rebuilt!
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
The holy place...not a rebuilt temple!
Mark 13:14 (NIV84)
14 "When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
How in the world does Mark 14 support the rebuilding of a temple??? It doesn't!
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
A better translation of Daniel 9:27. The word temple isn't used!
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
FYI...This covenant isn't a peace treaty.
31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Sanctuary means "sacred place" not a temple.
And again. How do you come up with the rebuilding of a temple???
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
So what you're saying is that a temple needs to be rebuilt so that animal sacrifes can resume only to have them cease!
I don't fall for that!
The "sacred placed" is the inner-sanctum of the temple. Because the Jews have yet to accept Jesus this place is not protected of God at that time. This makes the inner-sanctum an available (and preferred) place for Satan to arrive when he is cast down. This also shields the world from seeing Satan over-take the body of the Anti-christ and for that reason the world can be misled into thinking this is the messiah. Certainly, I can see where one may think this does not matter and that the world could see his arrival and still be deceived, however, consider that Satan (who an come as the angel of light) will also arrive with his demons for they are cast out too. Revelation II tells of the measuring of the temple for the rebuilding. Perhaps the 42 months the gentiles trod the courtyard is due to an "agreement" between Jews and Muslims to share a joint action in its rebuilding in an effort to maintain peace (just as nearly every change of any type is a joint venture of Jews and Muslims today).
When Satan emerges from the inner-sanctum after possessing and beautifying the body previously owned and operated by the anti-christ he has an image made of the anti-christ, of which he gives life too. Consider: Why would Satan have that image made IF the ant-christ had not lost his body? Consider also: Why would Satan give a life to that image that was not from the anti-christ, yet call it that anti-christ?
Upon understanding that the anti-christ had no power to kill the 2 witnesses and that it took Satan to commit those murers, then you can also understand that if the anti-christ possessed such power, the 2 witnesses would have been murdered long before. Certainly their bodies would not be left in the street, the anti-christ would have aslo defiled their bodies and porphecy would not have been fulfilled. Satan, on the other hand, after killing the 2 witnesses, will be so full of himself he could likey demand the bodies are left in the street (undisurbed) to prove himself more powerful than God. Perhaps to fulfill prophecy for if Satan were to immediately attempt to do that which was not written and alter prophecy, he could allow himself to be recognized to all.
And... I will leave you this: Today and yesterday, those in power claim the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ( I heard that on Star Trek although it is also failed wisdom our government uses). I give you this: The needs of the righteous outweigh the rights of the Godless. Through Jesus, we are righteous... keep the faith!
When Satan emerges from the inner-sanctum after possessing and beautifying the body previously owned and operated by the anti-christ he has an image made of the anti-christ, of which he gives life too. Consider: Why would Satan have that image made IF the ant-christ had not lost his body? Consider also: Why would Satan give a life to that image that was not from the anti-christ, yet call it that anti-christ?
Upon understanding that the anti-christ had no power to kill the 2 witnesses and that it took Satan to commit those murers, then you can also understand that if the anti-christ possessed such power, the 2 witnesses would have been murdered long before. Certainly their bodies would not be left in the street, the anti-christ would have aslo defiled their bodies and porphecy would not have been fulfilled. Satan, on the other hand, after killing the 2 witnesses, will be so full of himself he could likey demand the bodies are left in the street (undisurbed) to prove himself more powerful than God. Perhaps to fulfill prophecy for if Satan were to immediately attempt to do that which was not written and alter prophecy, he could allow himself to be recognized to all.
And... I will leave you this: Today and yesterday, those in power claim the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ( I heard that on Star Trek although it is also failed wisdom our government uses). I give you this: The needs of the righteous outweigh the rights of the Godless. Through Jesus, we are righteous... keep the faith!
If this were a real scholarly debate, you would have failed miserably, because nowhere did you even attempt to cover the 'context' of that Scripture, but instead focused just on the word 'temple' using Bible dictionaries.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
You've done the very same thing with those Matt.24 and Mark 13 examples, totally disregarded its Biblical context. The "holy place" Jesus was speaking of is the Holy of Holies inside the Jerusalem temple, as that's the buildings they were discussing while upon the Mount of Olives overlooking the Temple Mount. There's already been an historical blueprint of that with Antiochus Epiphenes entering the Jerusalem Temple in 170 B.C. and desolating the inside of it with sacrificing swine and placing an idol abomination on an altar for false worship.
No, you fell for something else entirely, called the traditions of men.
Christ while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples was referring directly to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem when He warned of the "abomination of desolation" event of an idol placed in the "holy place" inside the Jerusalem temple. He just wasn't talking about the 2nd temple that stood at His first coming, for the Romans destroyed it in 69 A.D. All those Scriptures relate to that "abomination of desolation" event, which is about a false one placing an idol abomination inside a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. For it to occur, a Jewish temple in Jerusalem must be standing.
Don't know about all that body stuff, but the Gentiles treading the "holy city" for 42 months, the same time the beast is in control per Rev.13, that does reveal a 'league' will be made in Jerusalem between the Jews and Arabs. Rev.11 makes a distinction between those who worship inside that temple, and the Gentiles who will tread the holy city outside it.
The temple Ezekiel was shown by vision is most likely what the orthodox Jews will proclaim when they build the third temple and start up Old Covenant sacrifices again. Per Ezekiel 40-48, that's the Millennium timing about the temple Ezekiel was shown. The completion of the 70th week of Daniel per Dan.9:24 reveals the establishing of the sanctuary again when the beast is defeated with Christ's return. It's all lining up today for a fake copy of those prophesied events in Jerusalem just prior to Christ's return. Because of that, I can see why so many orthodox Jews don't like us mentioning prophecy about the Antichrist coming to sit in their new rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, especially when they think it will serve to prove the Millennium time has come with it.
revturmoil
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Not always!
In Hebrews 9:25 the holy place is...
http://www.bluelette...rongs=G39&t=KJV
In Acts 21:28 and Mt. 24:15 the holy place is a little different...
http://www.bluelette...rongs=G40&t=KJV
http://www.bluelette...ngs=G5117&t=KJV
If Jesus or the author of Acts wanted to indicate the "holy of holies" in Mathew 24:15 he would have likely used this word...bold is mine.
2665. katapetasma kat-ap-et'-as-mah from a compound of 2596 and a congener of 4072; something spread thoroughly, i.e. (specially) the door screen
(to the Most Holy Place) in the Jewish Temple:--vail.
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The holy place in Mathew 24:15 is not the Holy of Holies but simply the surrounding area of it as described above and below in #5117.
1) place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space
a) an inhabited place, as a city, village, district
a place (passage) in a book
2) metaph.
a) the condition or station held by one in any company or assembly
opportunity, power, occasion for acting
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'Shabbat as a 'cathedral in time'
(rather than in space, as cathedrals are in the Christian tradition).
- Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel
THE SABBATH (1951)
If you won't believe it from a Jew of learned estate, who would you accept as a reasonable source, Mickey Mouse?*
The cathedral in space is Judaism itself and the modern state of Israel. Look and see, it isn't hard unless you're blind.
Follower's quote above hits the nail on the head. Zionist Christians want to see a temple built. As the back-woods preacher said, "give me your donations and I'll add it to the temple treasury". Well the treasury disappeared along with the preacher and all we've got left is whining Christians who refuse to listen to Jews who have already built their temple.
They call it the modern state of Israel. Anybody read the papers? The story was in there once or twice.
* Mickey is into atheistic humanism these days.
Objectives of the Temple Mount Faithful group of orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem:
Long Term Objectives
The Zionists originated from Judaism, not Christianity.
Long Term Objectives
- Liberating the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation. The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosque were placed on this Jewish or Biblical holy site as a specific sign of Islamic conquest and domination. The Temple Mount can never be consecrated to the Name of G-d without removing these pagan shrines. It has been suggested that they be removed, transferred to and rebuilt at Mecca.
- Consecrating the Temple Mount to the Name of G-d so that it can become the moral and spiritual center of Israel, of the Jewish people and of the entire world according to the words of all the Hebrew prophets. It is envisioned that the consecration of the Temple Mount and the Temple itself will focus Israel on (a) fulfilling the vision and mission given at Mt. Sinai for Israel to be a chosen people separate unto G-d, a holy nation, and a nation of priests, and (B) becoming a light unto all the nations [Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 42:6] so that the Name of G-d may be revered by all nations and the Biblical way of life may be propagated throughout the world.
- Rebuilding the Third Temple in accordance with the words of all the Hebrew prophets. This temple will be a house of prayer for the people of Israel and all nations.
- Providing a Biblical point of assembly in order that all Israel may fulfill the commandment to assemble three times annually at the times of G-d's festivals and at the place where G-d established His Name forever.
- Making Biblical Jerusalem the real, undivided capital of the state of Israel.
- Rejecting false "peace talks" which will result in the dividing of Israel and the breaking of G-d's covenant. G-d promised to Abraham and to his seed that the land and the borders of Israel are eternal and cannot be divided and given to other people and nations.
- Supporting the settlements in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the Golan Heights as they are holy. No one is allowed to break the Word and the Will of G-d by commanding the settlers to leave. In the Biblical era, G-d commanded the people of Israel to settle the land completely. This command is applicable today. The holy connection and covenant between G-d, the People of Israel and the Land of Israel is eternal.
The Zionists originated from Judaism, not Christianity.
In the same place the Temple will never be built. God does not need to repeat the Temple of Herod. The temple will be built according to the prophecy of Ezekiel. The Temple of Ezekiel's prophecy will be built at the new location, 30 kilometers south of Jerusalem in the Judean desert.
I watched the video.
I would ask that you provide an address so I know who I can send the bill to for wasting 12 minutes of my life.
I would ask that you provide an address so I know who I can send the bill to for wasting 12 minutes of my life.
I'm sorry, I understand very little in English. I translate with Google. What is your address is, and why?
The 1260 days periods originate from the final "one week" period given Daniel in the 70 weeks prophecy. They are not years, but literal days.
In Rev.11, God's two witnesses are to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days, and then are killed, their bodies left laying in the street of Jerusalem. All nations are to see their dead bodies laying there for 3.5 days, then they resurrect with the coming of the 3rd last Woe, which is when the 7th Trumpet sounds with Christ's returning.
The 2nd Woe - 6th Trumpet period is when those final 1260 days will occur with the ministry of God's two witnesses prior to Christ's second coming.
Thus, ANY Jewish temple built prior to Christ's return IS NOT the Ezekiel Millennium temple, but a fake.
The supposition that Ezekiel's temple will be located slightly south of Jerusalem is interesting, but it's supposition based on today's layouts of the promised land to suggest men being able to build it prior to Christ's return.
The orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have intentions of building another temple specifically upon the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, not south of Jerusalem.
In Rev.11, God's two witnesses are to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days, and then are killed, their bodies left laying in the street of Jerusalem. All nations are to see their dead bodies laying there for 3.5 days, then they resurrect with the coming of the 3rd last Woe, which is when the 7th Trumpet sounds with Christ's returning.
The 2nd Woe - 6th Trumpet period is when those final 1260 days will occur with the ministry of God's two witnesses prior to Christ's second coming.
Thus, ANY Jewish temple built prior to Christ's return IS NOT the Ezekiel Millennium temple, but a fake.
The supposition that Ezekiel's temple will be located slightly south of Jerusalem is interesting, but it's supposition based on today's layouts of the promised land to suggest men being able to build it prior to Christ's return.
The orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have intentions of building another temple specifically upon the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, not south of Jerusalem.
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