A time of great distress that will come upon God’s people: The time of Jacob’s trouble.

[LoveYeshua]

The prophet Jeremiah spoke of a time of great distress that would come upon God’s people, calling it “the time of Jacob’s trouble.” He said, “Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). This prophecy looks far beyond the days of ancient Judah. It points to the final time of testing and judgment that will come before the return of the Messiah. God told Jeremiah that the captivity of His people would end and they would return to their land: “I will bring back the captives of My people Israel and Judah… and cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it” (Jeremiah 30:3). But before that promise of restoration comes, there is a time of deep anguish, when fear and trembling fill the earth. Jeremiah saw men holding their stomachs in pain like a woman in labor, saying, “Every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale” (Jeremiah 30:6). This image of birth pains is the same one Jesus later used when He said, “All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:8), showing that both Jeremiah and Jesus spoke about the same final events before God’s kingdom is revealed.

Jesus described this time more fully when He said, “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). His words echo Jeremiah’s, “none is like it,” proving they speak of the same moment in history. Jeremiah shows this from Israel’s point of view, while Jesus shows it from the view of all nations. During this time of trouble, God allows distress to come not for destruction but for purification. The Lord said, “I will correct you in justice, and will not let you go altogether unpunished” (Jeremiah 30:11). This correction is meant to bring His people back to repentance and faithfulness before the great day of deliverance.

Yet Jeremiah’s message is not one of despair but of hope. God promises that even in the darkest hour, He will not abandon His people. “It is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). The word “out of it” means deliverance that happens after the suffering, not escape before it. This matches what Jesus said about endurance: “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13).

Jeremiah also shows that this salvation will come through the appearance of the promised King, the Son of David: “They shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them” (Jeremiah 30:9). This is a prophecy of the Messiah who would come to reign over all nations. Jesus, a descendant of David, fulfills this prophecy. When He returns in glory, He will save His people and rule the world in righteousness. He said, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30).

Jeremiah’s vision ends with comfort. God promises peace and safety for those who belong to Him: “I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet, and no one shall make him afraid” (Jeremiah 30:10). The end of Jacob’s trouble brings the beginning of God’s kingdom on earth. The same event that ends the suffering will also begin the gathering of the faithful, as Jesus said, “He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:31).

Therefore, the time of Jacob’s trouble is the final great tribulation that comes before the Second Coming of Christ. It is a period of fear and testing, but it ends with deliverance and peace for those who belong to the Lord. When the Messiah appears, the oppressors will fall, the faithful will be freed, and the promise will be fulfilled: “You shall be My people, and I will be your God” (Jeremiah 30:22). The world will move from sorrow to joy, from war to peace, and from captivity to freedom under the reign of the true King. Jacob’s trouble will end in triumph, for the Lord Himself will come to save His people and restore His kingdom forever.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The prophet Jeremiah spoke of a time of great distress that would come upon God’s people, calling it “the time of Jacob’s trouble.” He said, “Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). This prophecy looks far beyond the days of ancient Judah. It points to the final time of testing and judgment that will come before the return of the Messiah. God told Jeremiah that the captivity of His people would end and they would return to their land: “I will bring back the captives of My people Israel and Judah… and cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it” (Jeremiah 30:3). But before that promise of restoration comes, there is a time of deep anguish, when fear and trembling fill the earth. Jeremiah saw men holding their stomachs in pain like a woman in labor, saying, “Every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale” (Jeremiah 30:6). This image of birth pains is the same one Jesus later used when He said, “All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:8), showing that both Jeremiah and Jesus spoke about the same final events before God’s kingdom is revealed.

Jesus described this time more fully when He said, “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). His words echo Jeremiah’s, “none is like it,” proving they speak of the same moment in history. Jeremiah shows this from Israel’s point of view, while Jesus shows it from the view of all nations. During this time of trouble, God allows distress to come not for destruction but for purification. The Lord said, “I will correct you in justice, and will not let you go altogether unpunished” (Jeremiah 30:11). This correction is meant to bring His people back to repentance and faithfulness before the great day of deliverance.

Yet Jeremiah’s message is not one of despair but of hope. God promises that even in the darkest hour, He will not abandon His people. “It is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). The word “out of it” means deliverance that happens after the suffering, not escape before it. This matches what Jesus said about endurance: “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13).

Jeremiah also shows that this salvation will come through the appearance of the promised King, the Son of David: “They shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them” (Jeremiah 30:9). This is a prophecy of the Messiah who would come to reign over all nations. Jesus, a descendant of David, fulfills this prophecy. When He returns in glory, He will save His people and rule the world in righteousness. He said, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30).

Jeremiah’s vision ends with comfort. God promises peace and safety for those who belong to Him: “I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet, and no one shall make him afraid” (Jeremiah 30:10). The end of Jacob’s trouble brings the beginning of God’s kingdom on earth. The same event that ends the suffering will also begin the gathering of the faithful, as Jesus said, “He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:31).

Therefore, the time of Jacob’s trouble is the final great tribulation that comes before the Second Coming of Christ. It is a period of fear and testing, but it ends with deliverance and peace for those who belong to the Lord. When the Messiah appears, the oppressors will fall, the faithful will be freed, and the promise will be fulfilled: “You shall be My people, and I will be your God” (Jeremiah 30:22). The world will move from sorrow to joy, from war to peace, and from captivity to freedom under the reign of the true King. Jacob’s trouble will end in triumph, for the Lord Himself will come to save His people and restore His kingdom forever.

Yes Gods people the Jews are appointed to Jacob's trouble.

When you finally Begin to understand the wife of the Old Testament, illustrated with Gomer in Hosea, is exactly that, the wife gonna astray.... the Jewish people.
Then start to understand the bride of Christ in the New Testament, which is directly under Jesus, the Son, is appointed to the marriage feast in heaven.
Jesus illustrated this at the last supper.
If you do a little investigation, you'll see that the Jewish betrothal ceremony was what Jesus was reenacting at the last super.

Ruth represents the gentle church in the book of Ruth.
Boaz represents Jesus. Naomi represents the Jewish nation, or people.

THE JEWS BROUGHT BACK IN ILLUSTRATED in Hosea with Gomer and PROPHESIED in romans 9-11.

If you "blenderize" it , and fail to investigate, you will be guaranteed error.

Investigation is dangerous.

That is why I have over 11 points that NONE of you can answer.

Those points are powerful , and dangerous.
Very dangerous.
A postribber would need courage, to stop and not sluff off God's word as nothing.

 

[Jay Ross]

The prophet Jeremiah spoke of a time of great distress that would come upon God’s people, calling it “the time of Jacob’s trouble.” He said, “Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). This prophecy looks far beyond the days of ancient Judah. It points to the final time of testing and judgment that will come before the return of the Messiah. God told Jeremiah that the captivity of His people would end and they would return to their land: “I will bring back the captives of My people Israel and Judah… and cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it” (Jeremiah 30:3). But before that promise of restoration comes, there is a time of deep anguish, when fear and trembling fill the earth. Jeremiah saw men holding their stomachs in pain like a woman in labor, saying, “Every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale” (Jeremiah 30:6). This image of birth pains is the same one Jesus later used when He said, “All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:8), showing that both Jeremiah and Jesus spoke about the same final events before God’s kingdom is revealed.

Jesus described this time more fully when He said, “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). His words echo Jeremiah’s, “none is like it,” proving they speak of the same moment in history. Jeremiah shows this from Israel’s point of view, while Jesus shows it from the view of all nations. During this time of trouble, God allows distress to come not for destruction but for purification. The Lord said, “I will correct you in justice, and will not let you go altogether unpunished” (Jeremiah 30:11). This correction is meant to bring His people back to repentance and faithfulness before the great day of deliverance.

Yet Jeremiah’s message is not one of despair but of hope. God promises that even in the darkest hour, He will not abandon His people. “It is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). The word “out of it” means deliverance that happens after the suffering, not escape before it. This matches what Jesus said about endurance: “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13).

Jeremiah also shows that this salvation will come through the appearance of the promised King, the Son of David: “They shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them” (Jeremiah 30:9). This is a prophecy of the Messiah who would come to reign over all nations. Jesus, a descendant of David, fulfills this prophecy. When He returns in glory, He will save His people and rule the world in righteousness. He said, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30).

Jeremiah’s vision ends with comfort. God promises peace and safety for those who belong to Him: “I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet, and no one shall make him afraid” (Jeremiah 30:10). The end of Jacob’s trouble brings the beginning of God’s kingdom on earth. The same event that ends the suffering will also begin the gathering of the faithful, as Jesus said, “He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:31).

Therefore, the time of Jacob’s trouble is the final great tribulation that comes before the Second Coming of Christ. It is a period of fear and testing, but it ends with deliverance and peace for those who belong to the Lord. When the Messiah appears, the oppressors will fall, the faithful will be freed, and the promise will be fulfilled: “You shall be My people, and I will be your God” (Jeremiah 30:22). The world will move from sorrow to joy, from war to peace, and from captivity to freedom under the reign of the true King. Jacob’s trouble will end in triumph, for the Lord Himself will come to save His people and restore His kingdom forever.

Sadly, you have not meditated properly on Jeremiah 30-31 not have you looked for other passages that describe what is happening at this time with respect to Israel.

I would suggest that you have not understood Exodus 20:4-6 which speaks of the idolatrous sins of the fathers will be visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth ages of the existence of the nation of Israel even from the time of Isaac's birth.

I would suggest that you have not fully considered the implications of Deuteronomy 28 which speaks of what will happen over the duration of the first four ages of the existence of the nation of Israel.

Nor have you considered that after the completion of the fourth age of the existence of Israel as depicted in Ezekiel 34 that God will actively seek out and gather the Israelites to Himself as well as enter into a covenant of peace with Israel by the removal of the evil beasts from the face of the earth for many days. In Isaiah 24:21-22 we are told the God will Judge the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth and will gather them together and imprison them in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years before releasing them for the Little While Period at the end of the seventh age. Some members do not recognise that when all of the heavenly hosts, i.e. Satan, the Beast(s) and the Little Horn are judged, they along with the judged kings of the earth, all go into the Bottomless pit at the same time to await the time of their punishment.

Now in Revelation 20:4-6 we are told that Jesus will establish a High Priests rule over all of the peoples of the earth.

When the Israelites perceive that their king is judging the Kings of the earth at Armageddon, they will seek His terms of peace. Luke 14:31-32. Or when Satan is judged and goes away, supposedly for a kingdom, that his servants, Israel will send a delegation after Satan to state that they no longer want to have Satan as their king or master. Luke 19:11-27,

Jacob troubles are laid out in Deuteronomy 28 and Exodus 20:4-6 still has around 20 years to run before the visitation of the father's iniquities has come to its completion. Daniel 8:14-15 sets the timespan of how long the nations around the Israelites will trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts, and as Paul tells us the after the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles is completed, then all of Israel will be saved.

Israel will enjoy a period of peace and security after the described Isaiah 24:21-22 judgement of the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth for 1,000 years after which the Bottomless pit will be unlocked which allows the imprisoned kings of the earth and the imprisoned heavenly hosts to bring about the Great Tribulation after which the judges heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth will be judged and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

This period of Great Tribulation will be followed by the Great White Throne Room judgement of all of the peoples of the earth.

I trust that this short explanation is helpful for you.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

I would suggest that you have not understood Exodus 20:4-6 which speaks of the idolatrous sins of the fathers will be visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth ages of the existence of the nation of Israel even from the time of Isaac's birth.

The text of Exodus 20:4-6 (kjv) does not says "ages", but generation. God distinguishes the idol worshipers of Israel (verse 5) from those of Israel who are not idolators but love God and keep His commandments (verse 6).


1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

 

[Douggg]

This period of Great Tribulation will be followed by the Great White Throne Room judgement of all of the peoples of the earth.

The Great Tribulation will be the last 1335 days of the 7 years of the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 (which is also the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9). The Great White Throne Judgement will be a thousand years later.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes Gods people the Jews are appointed to Jacob's trouble.

When you finally Begin to understand the wife of the Old Testament, illustrated with Gomer in Hosea, is exactly that, the wife gonna astray.... the Jewish people.
Then start to understand the bride of Christ in the New Testament, which is directly under Jesus, the Son, is appointed to the marriage feast in heaven.
Jesus illustrated this at the last supper.
If you do a little investigation, you'll see that the Jewish betrothal ceremony was what Jesus was reenacting at the last super.

Ruth represents the gentle church in the book of Ruth.
Boaz represents Jesus. Naomi represents the Jewish nation, or people.

THE JEWS BROUGHT BACK IN ILLUSTRATED in Hosea with Gomer and PROPHESIED in romans 9-11.

If you "blenderize" it , and fail to investigate, you will be guaranteed error.

Investigation is dangerous.

That is why I have over 11 points that NONE of you can answer.

Those points are powerful , and dangerous.
Very dangerous.
A postribber would need courage, to stop and not sluff off God's word as nothing.

God's people are believing Jews, not unbelieving Jews, only a 'believing' remnant of the Jews will be saved, even though there may exist many Jews, most Jews reject Christ, they stumble at that stumbling stone.

27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.

33 As it is written:​

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,​

And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”​

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Meaning shame and everlasting contempt is on them that believe not in Christ​

Paul grieves over the Jews who do not believe, cause he knows their fate​

Romans 9​

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New King James Version​

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Israel’s Rejection of Christ​

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose​

6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

Present Condition of Israel​

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 9 - New King James Version

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[Jay Ross]

The text of Exodus 20:4-6 (kjv) does not says "ages", but generation. God distinguishes the idol worshipers of Israel (verse 5) from those of Israel who are not idolators but love God and keep His commandments (verse 6).

Actually Dougggg, The Ex 20:4 Hebrew text does not contain the word generation or age. In Hebrew the word "generation" is interchangeable with the word age.



To understand the time context of this commandment we need to refer to the Book of Lamentations as well as the book of Hosea which both refer to a time period of an age or day of the Lord which has a time span of 1,024 years.

Douggg, in trying to prove my post to be in error, what you have shown is your lack of understanding the scriptures with respect to Ex 20:4-6.

Goodbye

 

[Jay Ross]

The Great Tribulation will be the last 1335 days of the 7 years of the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 (which is also the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9). The Great White Throne Judgement will be a thousand years later.

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Again, your diagram shows the flaw in your interpretations.

It seems to me that you do not understand that Chapters 19 and 20 of the Book of Revelation covers the same time spans as each other.

Goodbye

 

[LoveYeshua]

Sadly, you have not meditated properly on Jeremiah 30-31 not have you looked for other passages that describe what is happening at this time with respect to Israel.

I would suggest that you have not understood Exodus 20:4-6 which speaks of the idolatrous sins of the fathers will be visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth ages of the existence of the nation of Israel even from the time of Isaac's birth.

I would suggest that you have not fully considered the implications of Deuteronomy 28 which speaks of what will happen over the duration of the first four ages of the existence of the nation of Israel.

Nor have you considered that after the completion of the fourth age of the existence of Israel as depicted in Ezekiel 34 that God will actively seek out and gather the Israelites to Himself as well as enter into a covenant of peace with Israel by the removal of the evil beasts from the face of the earth for many days. In Isaiah 24:21-22 we are told the God will Judge the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth and will gather them together and imprison them in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years before releasing them for the Little While Period at the end of the seventh age. Some members do not recognise that when all of the heavenly hosts, i.e. Satan, the Beast(s) and the Little Horn are judged, they along with the judged kings of the earth, all go into the Bottomless pit at the same time to await the time of their punishment.

Now in Revelation 20:4-6 we are told that Jesus will establish a High Priests rule over all of the peoples of the earth.

When the Israelites perceive that their king is judging the Kings of the earth at Armageddon, they will seek His terms of peace. Luke 14:31-32. Or when Satan is judged and goes away, supposedly for a kingdom, that his servants, Israel will send a delegation after Satan to state that they no longer want to have Satan as their king or master. Luke 19:11-27,

Jacob troubles are laid out in Deuteronomy 28 and Exodus 20:4-6 still has around 20 years to run before the visitation of the father's iniquities has come to its completion. Daniel 8:14-15 sets the timespan of how long the nations around the Israelites will trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts, and as Paul tells us the after the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles is completed, then all of Israel will be saved.

Israel will enjoy a period of peace and security after the described Isaiah 24:21-22 judgement of the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth for 1,000 years after which the Bottomless pit will be unlocked which allows the imprisoned kings of the earth and the imprisoned heavenly hosts to bring about the Great Tribulation after which the judges heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth will be judged and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

This period of Great Tribulation will be followed by the Great White Throne Room judgement of all of the peoples of the earth.

I trust that this short explanation is helpful for you.

Shalom

Shalom,

Thank you for sharing your views and for pointing to those passages. I appreciate the effort. But when we look closely at Jeremiah 30, we need to stay with what the prophet actually said. Jeremiah’s message is very clear and simple. He speaks of a time of great distress for Jacob, a time like no other, and then he says that God will save His people out of it. The chapter does not speak of long timelines, ages, cycles, or many stages in history. These ideas do not appear anywhere in the prophets.

Some of the points you raised bring in teachings that neither Jeremiah, nor Jesus, nor the disciples ever spoke about. Ideas such as heavenly hosts being imprisoned for a thousand years, kings of the earth going into the bottomless pit at the same time, and long periods before and after the tribulation do not appear in the words of Jesus, and the prophets never describe the time of Jacob’s trouble in this way. These thoughts may be interesting, but they go far beyond what God said through His servants.

You also connect many different passages, like Exodus 20, Deuteronomy 28, Ezekiel 34, Isaiah 24, and Daniel 8, as if they all form one long timeline. But Scripture itself does not link these texts together in that manner. Much of this becomes a human construction, not the plain message of the prophets. There is also a reference to Paul about the “fullness of the Gentiles,” but this only adds confusion to the main topic, which is Jeremiah’s prophecy and the teaching of Jesus about the great tribulation.

The purpose of Jacob’s trouble is simple and is clearly explained by Jeremiah himself. It is a time of deep fear and suffering, but God will save His people out of it. Jesus confirms this in Matthew 24 when He speaks of a great tribulation that has no equal. He then says that after this time the Son of Man will appear in glory. There is no long system of ages, no separate stages where Israel rejects Satan, and no new agreements being made. These things do not come from the words of Jeremiah or from the words of Jesus.

Your original explanation showed that Jeremiah and Jesus speak about the same final time before the coming of the Messiah. The answer you gave does not really address this. Instead, it brings in many ideas that the prophets and Jesus never taught. So while I do thank you for the effort and for sharing several verses that show God’s dealings with Israel, it is important to remain close to the plain meaning of Scripture. Jeremiah and Jesus give a simple, direct message: there will be a time of great distress, and afterwards God will save His people, and the Messiah will appear in glory.

Blessings

 

[Jay Ross]

@LoveYeshua if you read Jeremaih's Book of Lamentations, Jeremiah was lamenting the time of Jacob's troubles which will occur over two ages from the time of Christ's birth until the end of this present age. This same time period is referred to in Exodus 20:4-6.

But since you claim that we should not link various other passages together but only stick to the Book of Jeremaih, you are not allowing God's prophetic words to reveal what is to be revealed at this present time.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@LoveYeshua if you read Jeremaih's Book of Lamentations, Jeremiah was lamenting the time of Jacob's troubles which will occur over two ages from the time of Christ's birth until the end of this present age. This same time period is referred to in Exodus 20:4-6.

But since you claim that we should not link various other passages together but only stick to the Book of Jeremaih, you are not allowing God's prophetic words to reveal what is to be revealed at this present time.

No Jay, not only Jeremiah, but some links add to confusion and it becomes complex and people become lost, too many are lost already. Jeremiah's prophecy is clear and absolutely without a doubt about the end times and the return of Christ. linking all these end times prophecies properly is a colossal enterprise. What was given to me, the gift of knowledge to ""KNOW"" certain things about scripture I use always what I am certain about I will speak of, the rest I will not comment. I did look and saw a semblance of possible connection but no more, but I will read and examine again to be certain.

I am not really familiar with " ages" that you speak of, if you would clarify for me, you mentioned four I think and I would like to know what they refer to if you do not mind. I have a vague idea but do not know when each start or stop.

Blessings

 

[rebuilder 454]

God's people are believing Jews, not unbelieving Jews, only a 'believing' remnant of the Jews will be saved, even though there may exist many Jews, most Jews reject Christ, they stumble at that stumbling stone.

27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.

33 As it is written:​

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,​

And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”​

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Meaning shame and everlasting contempt is on them that believe not in Christ​

Paul grieves over the Jews who do not believe, cause he knows their fate​

Romans 9​

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New King James Version​

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Israel’s Rejection of Christ​

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose​

6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

Present Condition of Israel​

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

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Gomer.
Read Hosea.
Romans 9 -11. The Jews grafted back in.
Ruth the GENTILE bride.
Read Ruth. See the role of Naomi.
The 144k are ethnic Jews.
Firstfruit JEWS.

Rev 14 14.
The Jews SEE JESUS and come in THROUGH THEIR MESSIAH...JESUS.

3 separate comings.
All through Jesus

 

[Gottservant]

I don't have any problem with the OP.

The tribulation will be more than you think, but thinking you know that: is not it.

Essentially Man goes to war with death and starts to lose, but God saves the faithful.

 

[Davy]

I don't have any problem with the OP.

The tribulation will be more than you think, but thinking you know that: is not it.

Essentially Man goes to war with death and starts to lose, but God saves the faithful.

Please... let's not scare the babes in Christ here.

The time of Jacob's trouble, or "great tribulation" at the end just prior to Christ's future return, will not involve... war. All wars will have stopped, as Jesus foretold in Matthew 24:6 and Mark 13:7.

Mark 13:7
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
KJV

Many forget to read that last part in 'red'. Lord Jesus' statement above is a method where one must think using the process if what something is not, then what else is it. Since hearing of wars means wars are going on, and Jesus said those wars must needs be, then that definitely is not a time of world peace. And He said the "end shall not be yet", meaning while wars are going on, that "end" meaning the time of "great tribulation".

So what is the OPPOSITE of a time in the world of wars and rumors of war? The opposite kind of time is world peace, and that... is how the "end" (great trib) is going to be.

Mark 13:8
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
KJV

Some preachers (especially those who push the false Pre-trib rapture theory from men's doctrines), join the above kingdom against kingdom verse above as being "great tribulation" time. It is NOT. Instead, Jesus showed that's about the wars and rumors of war idea He spoke of in the previous verse, and that those wars of kingdom against kingdom happen just PRIOR to the time of the "end". Jesus called that time just prior to the trib by that term "beginnings of sorrows".

Those events, kingdom against kingdom with wars, and earthquakes in various places, famines and troubles, are happening now, today, so we are in that "beginnings of sorrows" period today. But when we see ALL wars have stopped, and a literal world peace happens for ALL nations on earth, then you know that is the time of the "end", meaning get ready, for that will be the start of the "great tribulation" leading up to Christ's return at the end of it. Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 called that a time when the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety".

In Daniel 8:24-25 about the coming false-Messiah, called the "little horn" there, he will destroy many using peace it says, and "through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper". This means the deceived by that false-Messiah are going to have good, as long as they believe he is God having come. But for those of us who remain 'faithful'... waiting on our True Lord Jesus Christ to come, we will be hated by them, including any family members that might be deceived with those. And it will be us who refuse the 'mark of the beast' that the devil will come after during the "great tribulation". That is why Jesus said it will be a time on earth that has never been before, nor will ever be again. The heart of the time of "great tribulation" at the "end" won't be all out war, famine, etc. It will be the greatest TEMPTATION to worship the coming false-Messiah in place of Jesus Christ.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Please... let's not scare the babes in Christ here.

The time of Jacob's trouble, or "great tribulation" at the end just prior to Christ's future return, will not involve... war. All wars will have stopped, as Jesus foretold in Matthew 24:6 and Mark 13:7.

Mark 13:7
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
KJV

Many forget to read that last part in 'red'. Lord Jesus' statement above is a method where one must think using the process if what something is not, then what else is it. Since hearing of wars means wars are going on, and Jesus said those wars must needs be, then that definitely is not a time of world peace. And He said the "end shall not be yet", meaning while wars are going on, that "end" meaning the time of "great tribulation".

So what is the OPPOSITE of a time in the world of wars and rumors of war? The opposite kind of time is world peace, and that... is how the "end" (great trib) is going to be.

Mark 13:8
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
KJV

Some preachers (especially those who push the false Pre-trib rapture theory from men's doctrines), join the above kingdom against kingdom verse above as being "great tribulation" time. It is NOT. Instead, Jesus showed that's about the wars and rumors of war idea He spoke of in the previous verse, and that those wars of kingdom against kingdom happen just PRIOR to the time of the "end". Jesus called that time just prior to the trib by that term "beginnings of sorrows".

Those events, kingdom against kingdom with wars, and earthquakes in various places, famines and troubles, are happening now, today, so we are in that "beginnings of sorrows" period today. But when we see ALL wars have stopped, and a literal world peace happens for ALL nations on earth, then you know that is the time of the "end", meaning get ready, for that will be the start of the "great tribulation" leading up to Christ's return at the end of it. Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 called that a time when the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety".

In Daniel 8:24-25 about the coming false-Messiah, called the "little horn" there, he will destroy many using peace it says, and "through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper". This means the deceived by that false-Messiah are going to have good, as long as they believe he is God having come. But for those of us who remain 'faithful'... waiting on our True Lord Jesus Christ to come, we will be hated by them, including any family members that might be deceived with those. And it will be us who refuse the 'mark of the beast' that the devil will come after during the "great tribulation". That is why Jesus said it will be a time on earth that has never been before, nor will ever be again. The heart of the time of "great tribulation" at the "end" won't be all out war, famine, etc. It will be the greatest TEMPTATION to worship the coming false-Messiah in place of Jesus Christ.

Exactly.
Those left behind as Jesus taught will be in great tribulation and some will refuse the mark and die.
Those taking it will, as you say, go through the trib....but all refusing will die according to the bible.
Thank you for affirming the pretrib rapture.

 

[Gottservant]

The "mark" is essentially the forbidden fruit of the following Age.

However, I do not agree that the temptation to receive it constitutes the tribulation; the temptation is equally to accuse people of wanting to take it or taking a liking to sharing it with others who want it more than you - these are all excuses to sin and must be dealt with one by one (over the Ages).

EDIT: What the tribulation is regardless of what tempts you, is a struggle with the idea of dying with faith - instead of the opposite of it.

 

[JLB]

The prophet Jeremiah spoke of a time of great distress that would come upon God’s people, calling it “the time of Jacob’s trouble.” He said, “Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). This prophecy looks far beyond the days of ancient Judah. It points to the final time of testing and judgment that will come before the return of the Messiah. God told Jeremiah that the captivity of His people would end and they would return to their land: “I will bring back the captives of My people Israel and Judah… and cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it” (Jeremiah 30:3). But before that promise of restoration comes, there is a time of deep anguish, when fear and trembling fill the earth. Jeremiah saw men holding their stomachs in pain like a woman in labor, saying, “Every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale” (Jeremiah 30:6). This image of birth pains is the same one Jesus later used when He said, “All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:8), showing that both Jeremiah and Jesus spoke about the same final events before God’s kingdom is revealed.

Jesus described this time more fully when He said, “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). His words echo Jeremiah’s, “none is like it,” proving they speak of the same moment in history. Jeremiah shows this from Israel’s point of view, while Jesus shows it from the view of all nations. During this time of trouble, God allows distress to come not for destruction but for purification. The Lord said, “I will correct you in justice, and will not let you go altogether unpunished” (Jeremiah 30:11). This correction is meant to bring His people back to repentance and faithfulness before the great day of deliverance.

Yet Jeremiah’s message is not one of despair but of hope. God promises that even in the darkest hour, He will not abandon His people. “It is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7). The word “out of it” means deliverance that happens after the suffering, not escape before it. This matches what Jesus said about endurance: “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13).

Jeremiah also shows that this salvation will come through the appearance of the promised King, the Son of David: “They shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them” (Jeremiah 30:9). This is a prophecy of the Messiah who would come to reign over all nations. Jesus, a descendant of David, fulfills this prophecy. When He returns in glory, He will save His people and rule the world in righteousness. He said, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30).

Jeremiah’s vision ends with comfort. God promises peace and safety for those who belong to Him: “I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet, and no one shall make him afraid” (Jeremiah 30:10). The end of Jacob’s trouble brings the beginning of God’s kingdom on earth. The same event that ends the suffering will also begin the gathering of the faithful, as Jesus said, “He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:31).

Therefore, the time of Jacob’s trouble is the final great tribulation that comes before the Second Coming of Christ. It is a period of fear and testing, but it ends with deliverance and peace for those who belong to the Lord. When the Messiah appears, the oppressors will fall, the faithful will be freed, and the promise will be fulfilled: “You shall be My people, and I will be your God” (Jeremiah 30:22). The world will move from sorrow to joy, from war to peace, and from captivity to freedom under the reign of the true King. Jacob’s trouble will end in triumph, for the Lord Himself will come to save His people and restore His kingdom forever.

The time of Jacob’s trouble was the holocaust.


God refers to the Jews as “Jacob” when they are not in the land of Israel but have been scattered unto the nations.

Jacob is a diaspora term.

• Like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale?

This was fulfilled with them in the gas chambers.

• That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds;

‘This refers to a man; Hitler


“For thus says the LORD:
‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
Of fear, and not of peace.
Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the LORD of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
But they shall serve the LORD their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the LORD,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
For I am with you,’ says the LORD, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
Jeremiah 30:5-11


Though I believe the Lord has blessed the nation of Israel mightily, and protected them from their enemies, I believe the fullness of this word will be fulfilled at His coming.

• But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.

Much like the word through Isaiah.


“The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me,
Because the LORD has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
Isaiah 61:1-2


And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn,

This part will be fulfilled at His coming, which is why He stopped there and didn’t quote that part when He read from Isaiah in the synagogue that day.



“The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.”
Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:18-20

 

[Gottservant]

Just to address the meaning: the "time of Jacob's trouble" refers to Jacob wrestling with an angel of the Lord. The struggle is that Jacob desired a blessing from God, but he tried to get it from one of His angels - so he struggled until God took pity on him and gave him the blessing. The point is, if you look for a blessing in the wrong place (from within your own resources) you may not find, what you think you will find. If God doesn't want to pity you, you get nothing for your trouble (and possibly worse).

 

[LoveYeshua]

The time of Jacob’s trouble was the holocaust.


God refers to the Jews as “Jacob” when they are not in the land of Israel but have been scattered unto the nations.

Jacob is a diaspora term.

• Like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale?

This was fulfilled with them in the gas chambers.

• That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds;

‘This refers to a man; Hitler


“For thus says the LORD:
‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
Of fear, and not of peace.
Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the LORD of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
But they shall serve the LORD their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the LORD,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
For I am with you,’ says the LORD, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
Jeremiah 30:5-11


Though I believe the Lord has blessed the nation of Israel mightily, and protected them from their enemies, I believe the fullness of this word will be fulfilled at His coming.

• But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.

Much like the word through Isaiah.


“The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me,
Because the LORD has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
Isaiah 61:1-2


And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn,

This part will be fulfilled at His coming, which is why He stopped there and didn’t quote that part when He read from Isaiah in the synagogue that day.



“The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.”
Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:18-20

The passage in Jeremiah 30 does not fit the Holocaust, even though the Holocaust was one of the greatest tragedies in human history. The pain of that event is real and still felt greatly today, but the prophecy in Jeremiah gives details that do not match what happened in the twentieth century.

The first detail is that Jeremiah speaks of a time of great fear for Jacob, but he also says that after this trouble God will bring Jacob back into the land, give them rest, and make sure no one makes them afraid. During and after the Holocaust, part of Israel did return to the land, but they have not entered the peace described in the prophecy. The land is still filled with conflict and danger. Jeremiah promises a quiet and secure rest that Israel has not yet received.

The next detail is that Jeremiah says Israel will serve the Lord their God and David their king, whom God will raise up. This has not happened. No one has seen David restored to rule. This part points to the time when the Messiah reigns and peace fills the earth. Jesus taught that this fullness comes at His return, not before.

Another detail is that God says He will make a full end of the nations where He scattered Israel, the lost tribes are still lost today. This has also not happened. Jeremiah’s words look forward to a final work of God, not something already completed.

Because of these things, the time of Jacob’s trouble cannot be the Holocaust. The suffering of the Holocaust was terrible, but it did not bring the peace, the restored king, and the final judgment of the nations that God described.

Isaiah 61 supports this. Jesus read the first part in the synagogue and said it was fulfilled in their hearing, but He stopped before the part that speaks of the day of God’s vengeance. He stopped because that part belongs to His future coming, not His first. The same pattern is in Jeremiah: part of the promise is near, but the full fulfillment is still ahead when He returns.

So the Holocaust does not match Jeremiah 30. The prophecy speaks of something far larger, ending with complete peace, the restoration of the king, and the final work of God among the nations. None of this has taken place yet. The words of Jeremiah point forward to the time when the Messiah comes in glory and brings lasting peace to His people.

 

[JLB]

The first detail is that Jeremiah speaks of a time of great fear for Jacob, but he also says that after this trouble God will bring Jacob back into the land, give them rest,

Exactly.

"Jacob" is a diaspora term, meaning a reference to the children of Israel when they are not dwelling in the promised land.


The Lord "brought them back" just after the holocaust, in 1948.