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A true Jew

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by verzanumi24, Aug 26, 2007.

  1. verzanumi24

    verzanumi24 Advanced Member

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    You seem to have a way of mixing truth, speculation, spiritual, and Literal things all together to make a mixed conclusion so difficult to follow it can not be proven in scripture. This kind of teaching makes me very Leary you could be saying anything or nothing. Every time you make a true statement you confuse it with the next statement.Im not completely disagreeing with some of what you say. But the true church(Christians) is Israel and is literally referred to as such in places and spiritual in other places .Who is Israel? the ten lost tribes. Literally, . Yet you seem to imply that Israel is part of Judah(jews) It is a mixture of literal and spiritual not always one or the other.
    There are some things in the Bible you take literally and there are some things which speaks of spiritual things and there are things which is like seeing things in a dark room with a very dim light. But check this scripture out.Isaiah 28:13 (KJV) 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. The scripture is inspired in such a way that it can cause some people to stumble and fall.
     
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    Take the Book of Revelation for example. If you do not know how you stand in your faith you will fall.
     
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    There are some things in the Bible you take literally and there are some things which speaks of spiritual things and there are things which is like seeing things in a dark room with a very dim light. But check this scripture out.Isaiah 28:13 (KJV) 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. The scripture is inspired in such a way that it can cause some people to stumble and fall.
    Yes,I know this its how I learned precept upon precept I dont quite get your point of quoting it here as an answer to my post are you suggesting this is some revelation I dont know???
     
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    Yes,I know this its how I learned precept upon precept I dont quite get your point of quoting it here as an answer to my post are you suggesting this is some revelation I dont know???
    There are some things that some Christians may have difficulty in understanding because they have not matured enough to understand it. Some of the things that I post, some will have a problem with it because unfortunately some of what they believe is unbiblical. It is difficult at best to receive new truth, if one is trying to fit error with truth.
     
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    Still drinking milk instead of eating meat.
     
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    Hi Mick,If you really believe in Jesus there is no jew or gentile why even be bothered about who else is in heaven? Surely it is enough that Gods will and judgement is perfect and he alone was sinned against.
    Heaven is ONLY for the great 'God-family', all of whom believe in God and Jesus -"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )"Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord, I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" (2 Cor 6:17-18 )Sadly, by rejecting Jesus, Jews don't want to be "as one" with the rest of us.I'd be quite happy to share heaven with any person of Jewish or Muslim or Hundu descent, provided they've ditched their non-christian faiths and joined the Christian family.I repeat what I said earlier - if there are any non-christians in heaven, I DON'T WANT TO GO!.. [​IMG]
     
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    Heaven is ONLY for the great 'God-family', all of whom believe in God and Jesus -"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )"Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord, I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" (2 Cor 6:17-18 )Sadly, by rejecting Jesus, Jews don't want to be "as one" with the rest of us.I'd be quite happy to share heaven with any person of Jewish or Muslim or Hundu descent, provided they've ditched their non-christian faiths and joined the Christian family.I repeat what I said earlier - if there are any non-christians in heaven, I DON'T WANT TO GO!.. [​IMG]
    The faith has never been christian because christian is name used as an insult for the Messiah believing Jews.Joel 2:32 (King James Version)32.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.John 4:22-24.22.Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23.But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truthOur Lord Jesus was a Jew and as he said before his death. The Jews knew what they worshipped but not even the samaritans did. He also taught Salvation is of the Jews. I would remind you of the promise God made Abraham before the law came showing what sin was.Genesis 12:1-3. 1.Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2.And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3.And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. You are a believer today because of the promise to Abraham and the Jews.Romans 11:1-7. 1.I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2.God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3.Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4.But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5.Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6.And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7.What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. The Jew is still a Jew and those who come to Christ become Jews also for a Jew is someone who knows whom they worship. 14.If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15.For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16.For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17.And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18.Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19.Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20.Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21.For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22.Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 .And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24.For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25.For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26.And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27.For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.verses 26-27(26) Isaiah 59:20 & (27) Jeremiah 31:31-34.The jews like Paul and the apostles are clearly the original olive tree but the gentiles a wild olive branch which was grafted into the original. Be care how you think for God has not changed his mind. The Jews faith is why you have faith today. Because of Gods promise to Abraham. He would bless all nations through him. What do you believe that Paul is teaching here about boasting?[​IMG]
     
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