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  1. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. And this may be another part of the picture I left out. There are also many who rather than waiting on the Lord to reveal to them the accurate meaning of scriptures instead either force interpretations through the power of their fleshly minds, or let others tell them what to believe.

    Both are entirely against what the scriptures teach us to do.
     
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  2. FHII

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    Not exactly. It never said the Apostles spoke in tongues. It says those in attendance did. In fact, its hinted that the Apostles stayed silent during the speaking.


    Yes. It was spoken and heard and understood. This was "other" tongues. Not unknown tongues. There is a place for unknown tongues. Its just not here in Acts 2.

    Well sort of. I apologize because I see it alittle differently. The Body of Christ was planted in the gospels. It was nutured in acts and grew in acts. The epistles give details on how it grew.

    Many Isrealites from this event became members of the Body. So yes, he was addressing Jews and in a rebuke... But this was the beginning of the body. The gentile portion was not yet brought in.

    I utterly disagree. Maybe. A lot of things hapoened after that. In short, those that accepted the message of grace through faith are part of the Body. It doesn't matter if they were Jews. It matters if they accepted the message. Some did, some didn't and some struggled. Some accepted Jesus but still wanted to hang on to the law.


    No. It was never a commandment. The first scripture is what Jesus did and what we should do spiritually and be willing to do pphysically. The second scripture is what he told one man. Both are parables that tell us we have to give our lives to Christ. Yes sometimes that means our money too. But this was not a commandment and saying it was spoils the great act they did. They did it without being told to.
     
  3. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Not really. Quite the opposite. Please note carefully:

    And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren... And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues [languages], as the Spirit gave them utterance. (Acts 1:13; 2:1-4)

    What do we see in this passage?
    1. Eleven apostles are listed (Judas Iscariot excluded)
    2. "These all continued" refers to all the eleven apostles gathered there.
    3. "They were all with one accord in one place" refers to the apostles as well as "the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren".
    4. "They were all filled with the Holy Ghost" refers to those who were "all with one accord in one place" -- the whole company including the apostles.
    5. "Other tongues" means languages other than those spoken by these Galileans.
    6. "As the Spirit gave them utterance" means FOREIGN languages spoken SUPERNATURALLY.

    The languages and/or dialects are all listed for us so that there is absolutely no doubt that men who normally spoke Aramaic could supernaturally speak:
    1. Parthian [Arsacid Pahlavi from northwestern Iran (Persia)]
    2. Medes [old Persian from western Iran (Persia)]
    3. Elamites [old Persian from southwestern Iran (Persia)]
    4. Mesopotamian (Akkadian or Sumerian)
    5. Judaea (Hebrew)
    6. Cappodocian Greek
    7. Pontic Greek
    8. Asia (Hittite, Luvian, Palaic, Lycian, Lydian, Carian, Phrygian, Hurrian, Urartian, Classical Armenian)
    9. Phrygian Greek
    10. Pamphylian Greek
    11. Egyptian
    12. Libyan (near the city of Cyrene)
    13. Latin and official Greek
    14. Minoan or Cretan Greek
    15. Arabian

    As we can see those languages/dialects were anywhere from 15-25. And there were probably 25 people in that company in the upper room.
     
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    Heart2Soul Well-Known Member

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    Most interpretations get twisted by teaching 1 verse sermons....and applying your personal thought to it....
     
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    1stCenturyLady Well-Known Member

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    Acts 1:15
    At this time Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was there together), and said,
     
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    'You worship what you do not know,
    we know what we worship,
    for salvation is of the Jews.'

    (John 4:22)

    Hello @Enoch111,

    During the period covered by the book of Acts, salvation was of the Jew: and gentiles were grafted into the Olive Tree of Israel; it was not until the end of that period that salvation was sent to the gentiles, when the prophecy of Isaiah 6 was pronounced upon the nation of Israel in Acts 28, (though warning was given in Acts 13:40), when they refused to repent and acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah, after 40 years of opportunity.

    * It is necessary to take note of what is said, at what time, and to whom, otherwise there will always be confusion.

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    'And they were all filled of the Holy Spirit,
    .. and began to speak in other languages,
    .... as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    And dwelling at Jerusalem there were Jews,
    devout men out of every nation under heaven.
    But this sound occurring,
    the multitude came together and were confounded,
    because they each heard them speaking in his own dialect.
    And they were all amazed and marveled,
    saying to one another,
    "Behold, are not these who speak all Galileans?
    And how do we each hear in our own dialect in which we were born?

    Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia,
    and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
    Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya around Cyrene,
    and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians,
    we hear them speaking the great things of God in our own languages."
    And they were all amazed, and were in doubt,
    saying to one another, "What does this mean?"'

    (Act 2:4-12 MKJV)

    Hello @Willie T.

    * With respect, the disciples began to speak in other tongues or languages: and each person present heard 'the great things of God', in their own dialects, their own languages. This is quite clear, there is no doubt about it, the context confirms the meaning of the term.

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello, @Frank Lee,

    I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but must contradict you, for the portion of Scripture from which their objection comes, is found in Leviticus, and the law of God regarding the eating of blood, and does not have reference to the blood of the Saviour, except in type. It was part of the law by which the children of Israel were to live, and is self explanatory.

    'And any man of the house of Israel,
    or of the strangers that are staying among you,
    who eats any blood,
    I will set My face against that soul who eats blood,
    and will cut him off from among his people.
    For the life of the flesh is in the blood.
    And I have given it to you on the altar
    to make an atonement for your souls.

    For it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.
    Therefore I said to the sons of Israel,
    No soul of you shall eat blood,
    neither shall any stranger that is staying among you eat blood.
    And any man of the sons of Israel,
    or of the strangers that are staying among you,
    who hunts game, beast or fowl, that may be eaten,
    he shall even pour out its blood and cover it with dust.
    For it is the life of all flesh.
    Its blood is for the life of it.
    Therefore I said to the sons of Israel,
    You shall not eat the blood of any flesh.
    For the life of all flesh is its blood.
    Whoever eats it shall be cut off.'

    (Lev 17:10-14)

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
  9. Dave L

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    I've read Acts more than any other book of the bible over the years and have come to believe it is too deep to understand through the cursory readings many allow for it.
     
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    so, the setup is that Jesus appears to be contending with her, there where He makes some...quite radical statements about marriage that no one ever contemplates, but anyway the tone is such that they appear to be contending right, but notice that Jesus is really agreeing with her, and contending the Jewish system, @ "bc salvation is from the Jews. BUT..."
    and to show more i'd have to dig up a diff tranny i guess, it has been almost completely obscured here, but note she awaited the Savior, she confessed to 'no husband' even though she is sleeping with a guy who is 'not her husband,' um, ya, can't show it in there i guess
     
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    Frank Lee Well-Known Member

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    But that is the wrong position the JW's take.
     
  13. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    What is the JW position?
     
  14. charity

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    Hello both,

    They do not allow blood transfusions, because of the verse in Leviticus 17:10-14, is that not the case?

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Hi @bbyrd009,

    'An indictment?' Hmm interesting. (Meaning to charge with an offence). What was the offence? It must be found in the words of John 4:20,

    'The woman saith unto Him,

    "Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
    Our fathers worshipped in this mountain;
    (Gerazim)
    and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship."'
    (John 4:19-20)

    * The woman has raised an argument as to where worship should take place, hasn't she? During that dispensation this was an important issue between the Samaritans and the Jews. Deuteronomy 12:5 shows us what God's will was on this matter.

    '... But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose
    out of all your tribes to put His name there,
    even unto His habitation shall ye seek,
    and thither thou shalt come: ... ... '

    (Deu 12:5)

    * Today, where we worship is not an issue (Philippians 3:3) 'For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh': but we live in a different dispensation; one which the Lord is about to give the Samaritan woman a glimpse into, with the words,

    'Jesus saith unto her,
    .. "Woman, believe me,
    .... the hour cometh, when ye shall
    ...... neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
    ........ Ye worship ye know not what:
    .......... we know what we worship:
    ............ for salvation is of the Jews.
    But the hour cometh, and now is,
    .. when the true worshippers shall worship the Father
    .... in spirit and in truth:
    ...... for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
    ........ God is a Spirit:
    .......... and they that worship Him

    ............ must worship Him in spirit and in truth.'
    (John 4:21-24)

    Praise God!

    Thank you for this: for it has been a blessing to me 'bbyrd009'
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris


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    Actually there were about 120 in the upper room according to Acts 1:15. So all 120 were in prayer. What I would like you to look at is verse 2:14-16.

    "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice..." so they were sitting down while this was happening. He lifted up his voice when he heard the accusation that the speakers were drunk.

    Verse 16 says (Peter speaking), "These are bot drunken, as ye suppose..." He didn't say "we aren't drunken"; he was referring to someone else. "These".

    These points hint that the apostles were watching the others and weren't the ones speaking in other tongues. I have no problem if they did.... And no, the scripture doesn't actually say they were or weren't involved. But thats the impression I get.
     
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    Wow! Some real jumping to wild conclusions.
     
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    Are you speaking about me? If so what did I say that is so wild?
     
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    I've heard that speculation before and it appears to me that the eleven apostles were already filled with the Spirit by Jesus, Himself, in John 20, and on the Day of Pentecost they received the additional filling for POWER. Whereas the 120 received the first filling in Acts 2 and the second filling in Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

    Two fillings. I see this as the difference between the first personal gifts of Mark 16:17-18, and the second of 1 Corinthians 12 for the profit of all/ministry.

    The apostles also spoke in tongues, which is confirmed at the home of Cornelius.

    Acts 10:
    46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
     
  20. Willie T

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    Not so much, you..... but the, "these", assumption does seem to be a bit of a stretch. I was speaking more of the numbered list.
     
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