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  1. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    It would also be "faithful to the word of God" if I said the Bible tells us to hate our fathers and mothers and brothers and sisters. For almost anything someone wants to "prove" by the Word of God, they can find a Scripture they can interpret the way that suits their particular desire.
     
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    lol, we don't even know what Word is, so wadr i doubt it, hysterically
     
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    Alan Rudnick wrote 1John?
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    surely not, but i guess he has no probs naming who 'the disciple whom Jesus loved' is, i guess?
     
  5. Jun2u

    Jun2u Well-Known Member

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    That’s very true! But many Christians do NOT know how to read or understand the Bible.

    Take the quote you just mentioned of Luke 14:26. this verse must be read in light of Mark 12:28-31

    Question: “who is our neighbor?”
     
  6. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    And yet, how many other verses are read in light of no other verse in the Bible. The "1,000 Years" is a good example. Mentioned only one time in the entire Bible, yet a doctrine has been built around it.
     
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    Jay Ross Well-Known Member

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    If you are talking about Rev 20 where the "thousand years" is mentioned in verses 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, then with respect to the time of the imprisonment of Satan in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years, then the meaning of Greek Root, "chilioi," on which the above use of "chilioi" is found in in the following 3 Greek words: -

    Strong's Greek 5507
    11 Occurrences


    χίλια chilia — 8 Occ. - 2 Peter 3:8, 3:8, Revelation 20: 2, 20: 3, 20: 4, 20: 5, 20: 6, 20: 7
    χιλίας cholias — 2 Occ. - Revelation 11: 3, 12: 6
    χιλίων chiliōn — 1 Occ. - Revelation 14: 20

    is not as definitive as the English translations suggest.

    Strong's definition of this Greek Root Word is that its meaning is of uncertain affinity, but that it is given the meaning of 1,000,.

    Now this time period of imprisonment in the Bottomless Pit is mentioned in the OT but the duration of the length of this imprisonment is expressed as "many days" in Isaiah 24: 22 and as such it does not provide a prescriptive time period as found in the translation of the above verses from the NT.

    Be that as it may be, I also agree that a doctrine has been created around this time period which is not supported by the scriptures but has been cobbled together using scripture to create a justified doctrine around those peoples desire for something that is not scriptural. In a sense, they are changing God's intent and purpose for the ages of the Age.

    From my ponderings on the meaning of "chilioi," I have not yet nailed it down to the Roman understanding of the numerical value of "chilioi" as some others have done of M or 1,000 and I am still considering as to whether or not there is another value that should be considered with respect to God's numerical system. The jury is still out for me and I may not be able to come to a firm conclusion while I am still drawing breath. Whether it has a value of 1,000 or a value close to 1,000 does not change the fact that a long finite period of time was being indicated in Revelation 20.

    Shalom
     
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    Jun2u Well-Known Member

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    Your example of the 1,000 Years is exactly the reason I said most Christians do not know how to read or understand the Bible. So they create false doctrines!

    There are two scripture references God gave us by which we can understand the deeper meanings of Scripture We are very familiar with these verses yet they are NEVER implemented amongst Christians. These two scripture references are set forth in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 2:14.

    Christians read the Bible literally like it’s an ordinary book and thereby, misunderstands that the Bible is a spiritual book also. So they NEVER look for any spiritual meaning of Revelation 20 given here as an example of the 1,000 years.

    When John the Baptist introduced Jesus to the world, he said: “Behold the man Jesus who takes away the sins of the world.” Oops, that is how I would have introduced Jesus, but John said: “Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world.

    Is Jesus an animal? Of course not. So we look for the spiritual meaning lo and behold, we find that the Old Testament Jews sacrificed lambs to atone for their sins. Now we understand that Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice who will take away our sins so that God’s justice may be fulfilled.

    Now the 64 thousand dollar question you might ask is: ”do I know the spiritual meaning of the 1,000 years?” Most definitely. But I’m NOT going to give the answer, only this…

    Proverbs 25:2
    It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.

    To God Be The Glory
     
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    You need not give an answer, the Scripture itself does. Revelation 20:5 DEFINES "THE THOUSAND YEARS : THIS, THE FIRST RESURRECTION". Absolutely clear in the Greek, "ta chilia eteh hauteh heh anastasis heh prohteh".

    Therefore, What is "the first resurrection"? It is the rebirth, the going over "from death into Life" "by the POWER of his (Christ's) Resurrection", without "seeing death" (verses 13-15) "the wages of sin", receiving eternal Life through grace. "The rest of the dead (in sin) LIVED NOT", did not receive the Life of Christ through rebirth. The redeemed of the First Resurrection, Jesus assured, "shall not enter judgement"; "the rest of the dead", the spiritually dead who "lived not the thousand years", they must face their judgement in the last day (verse 12).

    In other words, the thousand years is Christ's "reign the thousand years" and "with Him (those) that hath part (in or with Him) in the first resurrection" or God's Gift of Grace, Eternal Life IN JESUS CHRIST.
     
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    I hadn't heard that, either. It still hasn't registered in my mind, either.
     
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    I checked out the link...but I don't buy into it.
    Every verse quoted in it was quoted by John. More than a coincidence I believe.
    So no... especially as it mention the 'last supper'....why on earth would Lazarus be there? He was not one of the 12.
    I still believe it was John himself. :)
     
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    Only once? I count not less than 7 in a quick concordance search. This doesn't mean I disagree with your conclusion, but it does make me curious.
     
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    fwiw you might try 969 in there :)
     
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    yes, and it's only quite a bit later that we find that God does not want "blood" sacrifices at all, when we go and read for ourselves.
    And only then does "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" start to make sense
     
  15. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Would you list them, please?
    I found this that might explain what you mean:

    "Millennium" comes to us from the Latin mille meaning "1,000" and annus meaning "year." Another term for the millennium is chiliasm which is from the Greek chilioi and means "a thousand."

    It may come as a surprise to some, but the word "millennium" is not found in the Bible, either in the Old or the New Testaments. As previously indicated, it is a Latin word meaning "thousand years," and the only specific Scriptures using the term "thousand years" are found in Revelation 20:2-7. (Psalm 90:4 and II Peter 3:8 also mention a "1,000" years, but not in the sense of what is commonly called "the millennium.") In these six verses, the words "thousand years" are found a total of six times.
     
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    Certainly, unedited as depicted from my search for the phrase, "thousand years".

    Psa_90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
    Ecc_6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
    2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    Rev_20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    Rev_20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his pris
     
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    Correct. Six times in seven verses. That in itself should be a wake up call. God and Christ repeat things in the Bible for emphasis. So that people will sit up and listen. Each time Jesus said "Verily, Verily" (literally Amen, Amen) it was a wake up call.
    If you mean his conclusion is Amillennialism, then this is grounds to disagree with, and discard, that absurd notion.
     
  18. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Amadeus,
    You're serious, right?
    :)
     
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    My question was a simple one and perhaps your answer is also simple. Perhaps you meant that the only direct mention of a thousand years period [millennium] was that in the 20 chapter of Revelation. I have in the past looked into the so called millennium and have only been able to find anything myself by looking at someone else's writing or belief or doctrine on the subject.

    For this reason you will seldom see me address what is named the millennium by some. I simply have nothing in particular from God on it. I even have a study done on it by someone else saved for my own reference but I still simply don't see it myself, so without help from God I almost always avoid it. My position on a millennium, if I have one, is probably close to yours. Other may insist and supply verses but usually they cannot connect all of the dots.

    Does it matter? Should we study it to death so that it either makes perfect sense or perfect nonsense? If it is important for me to know more, would not God provide it? Only God gives the increase.

    Give God the glory!
     
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    And what is this, this Amillenialism?
    I really try to be led always by the Holy Spirit rather than by my own logic. When I don't understand what I read in scripture, I don't reject outright nor do I insist on drawing some definite conclusion now. How about putting it on a shelf until God nudges me with an answer or to do something more with it?
    Surprisingly over the years a number of things I have similarly put on the shelf have been taken back down when an issue arose as God showed me what I need to get from it in that moment. We don't want to fall behind God, but neither do we ever want to move out ahead of Him.
     
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