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Age of Earth/Mankind Bible Study Thread - Sacred Chronology

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  1. Jay Ross

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    But I did reference all of the Book of Judges, because I was stating that I could resolve the dilemma we have of understanding the timeline and storylines in that book. The thing is I did not state how I had resolved it, only that there were three parallel storyline found in the book of judges.

    You are presenting a false argument to win your POV and it is exposing you for what you are.

    This is your claim without any evidence except to claim that only your and the SDA's understanding is beyond reproach.

    Again you are using a false argument without understanding where the numbers I have mentioned have come from. The 220 years I stated was done from memory, and upon checking my chronology of the OT and not anyone else's numbers, I should have stated that it is actually 206 years and this number does come from the written record in Book of Judges.


    And I agree with you that the book of Judges is not in error, but how it is understood and interpreted does lead people into error. You sir, certainly have fallen into that grouping of people with respect to the Book of Judges and it seems that you do not understand how this is so.

    If anyone is revolting against God's understanding of His word it is you as I have shown that on two occasions there are flaws in the SDA material you are presenting without directly acknowledging, without going to a link, where the material has come from.

    Sir, I believe it is time for you to stop your abuse of the "truth" in your put downs of others.

    Shalom
     
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    I provided the link in the OP to my personal (independent) material. The study is done and presented by myself from scripture. That I am Seventh-day Adventist is irrelevant to the matter of scriptural chronology herein under discussion, and is merely an attempt at 'poisoning the well' fallacy, which itself is based upon yet another fallacy of non-sequitur, among others.
     
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    Now, we can look at the captivity of Judah by Babylon itself:

    Jeremiah 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

    Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

    Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

    Zechariah 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

    Zechariah 7:5 Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh month, even those seventy years, did ye at all fast unto me, even to me?

    Daniel 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

    Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

    2 Chronicles 36:17 Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand.

    2 Chronicles 36:18 And all the vessels of the house of God, great and small, and the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king, and of his princes; all these he brought to Babylon.

    2 Chronicles 36:19 And they burnt the house of God, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all the palaces thereof with fire, and destroyed all the goodly vessels thereof.

    2 Chronicles 36:20 And them that had escaped from the sword carried he away to Babylon; where they were servants to him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia:

    2 Chronicles 36:21 To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.

    2 Chronicles 36:22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

    2 Chronicles 36:23 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath the LORD God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.

    Ezra 1:1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

    Ezra 1:2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

    Ezra 1:3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

    Ezra 1:4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

    Ezra 1:5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the LORD which is in Jerusalem.

    Ezra 1:6 And all they that were about them strengthened their hands with vessels of silver, with gold, with goods, and with beasts, and with precious things, beside all that was willingly offered.

    Ezra 1:7 Also Cyrus the king brought forth the vessels of the house of the LORD, which Nebuchadnezzar had brought forth out of Jerusalem, and had put them in the house of his gods;

    Ezra 1:8 Even those did Cyrus king of Persia bring forth by the hand of Mithredath the treasurer, and numbered them unto Sheshbazzar, the prince of Judah.

    Ezra 1:9 And this is the number of them: thirty chargers of gold, a thousand chargers of silver, nine and twenty knives,

    Ezra 1:10 Thirty basons of gold, silver basons of a second sort four hundred and ten, and other vessels a thousand.

    Ezra 1:11 All the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand and four hundred. All these did Sheshbazzar bring up with them of the captivity that were brought up from Babylon unto Jerusalem.​

    Again, where do we begin the 70 years of Jeremiah's prophecy?:

    AM 3628 - Jehoaichin - AM 3628/9 = 3 months & 10 days

    The 4th year of Jehoiakim (AM 3621) is the 1st year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer 25:1, 46:2), which is the year that Nebuchadnezzar II fought at the battle of Carchemish against the Egyptians and Pharaoh Necho II, and won.

    The 1st year of the captivity of Jehoiachin (2 Chr 24:12, 36:9-10 (lit. 'a son of 8 years, under Nebuchadnezzar's reign'); 2 Ki 24:8 (Jehoiachin was 18 years of age in the 8th year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign)) Jer 24:1, 29:2; Eze 17:12; AM 3629) is the 8th year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar.

    The 1st year of Evilmerodach was the 37th year of the captivity of Jehoiachin (Eze 1:2; AM 3634 (5th) + 32 = AM 3666), in the 12th month, 25th day (Jer 52:31; issued the orders to have him come “out of prison”), 27th day (2 Ki 25:27; orders actually carried out, and he comes out of prison, “did lift up the head … out of prison”), and Zedekiah was 21 years old when Jehoiachin was taken captive (2 Ki 24:18), which would make Zedekiah 58 years old in the first year of Evilmerodach if he was even still alive.
     
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    What about Daniel 1:1-2; 2 Kings 24:1,6,8; 2 Chr 24:12, 36:9-10? Is there a contradiction, or error? No ...

    The 13th year of Josiah (AM 3599) unto the 1st year of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer 25:1, 46:2; AM 3617 - Jehoiakim + 4 (Jer 25:1) = AM 3621) is 23 years (Jer 25:3), inclusive reckoning (AM 3586 - Josiah + 13 (Jer 25:3) = AM 3599; thus AM 3599 (1) + 22 = 23 years; Jer 25:3; AM 3621))

    AM 3586 - Josiah - AM 3617 (13th year is AM 3599)

    AM 3617 - Jehoahaz - AM 3617

    AM 3617 - Jehoiakim - AM 3628 (4th year is AM 3621, is 23 years inclusive (Jer 25:3), 1st year of Nebuchadnezzar; Jer 25:1, 46:2; Jehoiakim is 36 years old when taken captive (2 Chr 36:6) in AM 3628)

    AM 3628 - Jehoaichin - AM 3628/9 (is the 8th year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign (2 Chr 24:12, 36:9-10; 2 Ki 24:8; Jer 24:1, 29:2; Eze 17:12))

    AM 3629 - Zedekiah - AM 3640 (9th year is AM 3638, is the 17th year of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer 39:1, 52:5), thus AM 3621 – AM 3638 = 17 years)

    Jehoiachin was 18 years old (2 Ki 24:8; AM 3628) when he began to reign, which makes Jehoiakim, his father, 36 years old at that time. This places Jehoiachin's birth 18 years previous in AM 3610, which makes Jehoiakim, his father, 18 years old at that time.

    The 1st year of the captivity of Jehoiachin (2 Chr 24:12, 36:9-10 (lit. 'a son of 8 years, under Nebuchadnezzar's reign'); 2 Ki 24:8 (Jehoiachin was 18 years of age in the 8th year of Nebuchadnezar's reign)) Jer 24:1, 29:2; Eze 17:12; AM 3629) is the 8th year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar.

    The 5th year of the captivity of Jehoiachin (Eze 1:2; AM 3634) is in the 30th year, 4th month, 5th day (Eze 1:1; 30 years prior = AM 3604, middle of Josiah's reign AM 3586 - AM 3617, or the 18th year of Josiah's reign to be precise, the finding of the Law, the restoration of the Temple, and his covenant to God, see 2 Ki 22:3, 23:23; 2 Chr 34:8,31, 35:1-19).

    The 9th year (10th month, 10th day) (Jer 52:4; AM 3638) of the reign of Zedekiah is the 17th year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, who at that time besieged the city of Jerusalem (Jer 39:1, 52:5), for two years ((9th) 80 + (10th) 360 + (11th) 99 = circa 539 days (30 day months)), unto the 11th year (4th month; 9th day) (Jer 39:2, 52:5-7).

    The 10th year (AM 3639) of the reign of Zedekiah is the 18th year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer 32:1), 832 persons of Jerusalem were carried captive to Babylon (Jer 52:29).

    The 11th year (AM 3640) of the reign of Zedekiah is the 19th year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar (2 Ki 25:2-8), (5th month, 10th day) (Jer 52:12), in which Zedekiah is blinded (2 Ki 25:7; Jer 39:7, 52:10-11; Eze 12:13) and taken captive.

    In the 23rd year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar (Jer 52:30; AM 3644), more persons, 745 Jews, are carried away captive to Babylon, all together 4,600 persons captive.

    The 1st year of Evilmerodach was the 37th year of the captivity of Jehoiachin (Eze 1:2; AM 3634 (5th) + 32 = AM 3666), in the 12th month, 25th day (Jer 52:31; issued the orders to have him come “out of prison”), 27th day (2 Ki 25:27; orders actually carried out, and he comes out of prison, “did lift up the head … out of prison”), and Zedekiah was 21 years old when Jehoiachin was taken captive (2 Ki 24:18), which would make Zedekiah 58 years old in the first year of Evilmerodach if he was even still alive.

    2 Kings 23:34 And Pharaohnechoh made Eliakim the son of Josiah king in the room of Josiah his father, and turned his name to Jehoiakim, and took Jehoahaz away: and he came to Egypt, and died there.

    2 Kings 23:36 Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Zebudah, the daughter of Pedaiah of Rumah.

    2 Chronicles 36:4 And the king of Egypt made Eliakim his brother king over Judah and Jerusalem, and turned his name to Jehoiakim. And Necho took Jehoahaz his brother, and carried him to Egypt.

    2 Chronicles 36:5 Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD his God.

    2 Chronicles 36:6 Against him came up Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and bound him in fetters, to carry him to Babylon.

    2 Kings 24:1 In his days Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came up, and Jehoiakim became his servant three years: then he turned and rebelled against him.

    2 Kings 24:6 So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.

    2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

    2 Chronicles 36:8 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoiakim, and his abominations which he did, and that which was found in him, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.

    2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

    Daniel 1:1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.

    Daniel 1:2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.

    Jeremiah 25:1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;

    Jeremiah 25:3 From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the LORD hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.

    Jeremiah 46:2 Against Egypt, against the army of Pharaohnecho king of Egypt, which was by the river Euphrates in Carchemish, which Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon smote in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah.

    Jeremiah 52:28 This is the people whom Nebuchadrezzar carried away captive: in the seventh year three thousand Jews and three and twenty:​

    AM 3617 is the beginning of Jehoiakim's Judaic reign, and if we add 4 years, unto the 4th year of his Judaic reign, AM 3617 + 4 = AM 3620/1 (4th year Jehoiakim, 1st year Nebuchadnezzar), which historically becomes the 1st year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign in Babylon.

    The Bible says that Nebuchadnezzar, “in the seventh year” (Jer 52:28) he took captives, 3023 Jews. If we consider the context of Jeremiah 52:28-30, this would mean then, that it is the 7th year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, being AM 3627/8, placing it right at the time of Jehoiakim's captivity.

    Jehoiakim, serves Nebuchadnezzar for “three years” (2 Ki 24:1), which is what Daniel refers to (Dan 1:1) as the “the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah”. In other words, it was the 3rd year of Jehoiakim's reign being subjected to the greater earthly King of Kings (Dan 2:37), not the third year of Jehoiakim's Judaic reign, but instead Jehoiakim's 8/9th year of Judaic reign. Jehoiakim after serving Babylon three years (AM 3624/5 - AM 3627), he rebelled, and so Nebuchadnezzar has to come and “besiege” Jerusalem, and in the following months/year, we come to AM 3628, in which Jehoiakim is taken captive (Dan 1:2), deposed and his son Jehoiachin is placed upon the throne in his stead (2 Ki 24:6; 2 Chr 36:8).

    AM 3628 – 4 = AM 3624, when Jehoiakim began to serve King Nebuchadnezzar, in which from AM 3624/5 – AM 3627, Jehoiakim, served “three years” (2 Ki 24:1). In this 3rd year (AM 3627) of subjection, Jehoiakim decides to no longer be subject to Nebuchadnezzar, and so rebels (Dan 1:1), and in the 4th year of being subject, or the 11th year of his Judaic reign (AM 3628), he is taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar (Dan 1:2) and eventually dies (2 Ki 24:6).
     
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    The 70 Years:

    2 Chronicles 36:20 And them that had escaped from the sword carried he away to Babylon; where they were servants to him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia:

    2 Chronicles 36:21 To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.

    Ezra 1:1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

    Jeremiah 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

    Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

    Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

    Daniel 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

    Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

    Daniel 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

    Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

    Zechariah 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

    Zechariah 7:5 Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh month, even those seventy years, did ye at all fast unto me, even to me?​

    AM 3621 + 70 = AM 3691

    AM 3621 = 1st Year of Nebuchadnezzar.

    AM 3628 = 11th Year of Jehoiakim; 7th Year of Nebuchadnezzar

    AM 3629 = 1st Year of the captivity of Jehoiachin; 8th Year of Nebuchadnezzar.

    AM 3666 = 1st Year of Evilmerodach; 37th Year of the captivity of Jehoiachin.

    This means that Nebuchadnezzar actually ruled for 45 years (AM 3621 – AM 3666; inclusive), or 43 as commonly stated, if counted as exclusive years, or full years, not counting the first nor last years (AM 3621, AM 3666), being partial, but giving those to the previous (Nabopolassar) and latter (Evilmerodach / Amel Marduk) kings of Babylon surrounding Nebuchadnezzars reign, as final year, and accession years.

    If we accept a 606 BC date for the year AM 3621, as an accession year (or partial year), and 605 BC as the first full year (aka 2nd year inclusive), then we can begin our calculation for the 70 years.

    Golden Babylon – 606/5 BC – 539/8 BC - Isaiah 13:19, 14:4

    King Nebuchadnezzar II [aka "Nebuchadnezar" or "Nebuchadrezzar"] - Lived 634 BC – 562 BC; Reigned 606/5 BC – 562 BC (AM 3621 – AM 3666); See: 2 Kings 24:1,10,11, 25:1,8,22; 1 Chronicles 6:15; 2 Chronicles 36:6,7,10,13; Ezra 1:7, 2:1; Nehemiah 7:6; Esther 2:6; Jeremiah 21:2,7, 22:25, 24:1, 25:1,9, 27:6-8,20, 28:3,11,14, 29:1,3,21, 32:1,28, 34:1, 35:11, 37:1, 39:1,5,11, 43:10, 44:30, 46:2,13,26, 49:28,30, 50:17, 51:34, 52:4,12,28,29,30; Ezekiel 26:7, 29:18,19, 30:10; Daniel 1:1,18, 2:1,28,46, 3:1,2,3,5,7,9,13,14,16,19,24,26,28, 4:1,4,18,28,31,33,34,37, 5:2,11,18

    He has 7 Years of madness; Daniel 4:1-37 sometime after many years of reign, and afterward He is restored to His kingdom for years yet further.​

    EvilMerodach [son of Nebuchadnezzar II; aka "Amel-Marduk"] - Reigned 562 BC – 560 BC (AM 3666 – AM 3668); see 2 Kings 25:27; Jeremiah 52:31

    He is killed by brother-in-law, Nergalsharezer/Neriglissar​

    Nergalsharezer [Son-in-law of Nebuchadnezzar II; aka "Neriglissar"] - Reigned 560 BC - 556 BC (AM 3668 – AM 3672); see Jeremiah 39:13

    He killed brother-in-law, EvilMerodach/Amel-Marduk.​

    Labashi-Marduk [son of Nergalsharezer/Neriglissar] - Reigned 556 BC; 9 months (AM 3672); Murdered

    Nabonidus [son of Nebuchadnezzar II] - Reigned 556 BC – 539 BC (AM 3672 – AM 3689); see Daniel 5:7,16,29; Jeremiah 27:6-7

    He also co-reigned with his son, Belshazzar, while he was away from Babylon, and he dies later, see also Daniel 5:25-31; Isaiah 14:22.​

    Belshazzar [Prophets And Kings Page 522.2; etc. “Belshazzar”; “third ruler”; son of Nabonidus; grandson of Nebuchadnezzar II] - Reigned [Jointly] 553 BC – 539 BC (AM 3675 - AM 3689); Nabonidus in Tayma; see Daniel 5:1,2,9,22,29,30, 7:1; Jeremiah 27:6-7 and see also Daniel 5:7,16,29 [“Daniel” would be made “third ruler”, thus Belshazzar was the 2nd'; Nabonidus the 1st], His reign ends shortly before his fathers', Nabonidus, does; see also Daniel 5:25-31; Isaiah 14:22.

    Belshazzar dies the very night the Persians/Medes enter the city, see also Nabonidus Cylinder [British Museum tablet 38299], Book of Baruch [deuterocanon/apocryphal], Josephus Antiquities 10.11.2-4 §231-247 and see also the book Cyropaedia Book 7, Chapter 5, Section 7-38 [Diverting The Euphrates, Fall of Babylon and King Belshazzar], Section 59-65 [Setting Up The Eunuchs in the Palace From The Door-Keeper Up] which gives historical details of this event that was prophetically foretold - http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...%3Asection%3D7 [Daniel himself, and Hannaniah, Mishael and Azariah were made eunuchs; see Isaiah 39:7; Daniel 1:7,8,9,10,11,18].​

    Darius The Mede[ian] [son of 'Ahasuerus'; Daniel 9:1, not the 'Ahasuerus' [aka Cambyses II] of Ezra 4:6, nor the 'Ahasuerus' [aka Xerxes I The Great] of Esther 1:1-2,9,10,15,16,17,19, 2:1,12,16,21, 3:1,7,8,12, 6:2, 7:5, 8:1,7,10,12, 9:2,20,30, 10:1,3] - 539 BC – 538/7 BC (about 2 years; AM 3689 – AM 3690/1); see Daniel 5:31, 6:1,6,9,25,28, 9:1, 11:1

    Cyrus II, The Great, King of the Medes [and later Persians] [King of the East] [son of Cambyses I; nephew of Darius The Mede] - 600 BC [kinged backwards through tradition] or 576 BC–530 and in Babylon 537/6 BC (AM 3691/2); see 2 Chronicles 36:22,23; Ezra 1:1,2,7,8, 3:7, 4:3,5, 5:13,14,17, 6:3,14; Isaiah 44:28, 45:1; Daniel 1:21, 6:28, 10:1 and Daniel 11:2 [the currently reigning King of Babylon, after which were to follow 3 kings [Cambyses II, False Smerdis, Darius I of Hystaspes The Persian] and then a 4th Richer king [Xerxes I The Great, aka "Ahasuerus" of Esther]]

    He Reigned ca. 559 BC – 530 BC [co-ruling Media/Persia until ca. 549 BC, then overruling the Medes, then later Babylonia]​

    (Nebuchadnezzar II, 1st Year) 606/5 BC – 537/6 BC (Cyrus II, 1st year) = 70 years
     
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    Cyrus II is said to have died in 530 BC, and his reign in Babylon only lasted 7 years, placing the beginning of his reign in 537/6 BC:

    "... Cyrus did not venture into Egypt, and was alleged to have died in battle, fighting the Massagetae along the Syr Darya in December 530 BC.[12][13] ..." - Cyrus the Great - Wikipedia

    "... [13] Beckwith, Christopher. (2009). Empires of the Silk Road: A History of Central Eurasia from the Bronze Age to the Present. Princeton and Oxford: Princeton University Press. ISBN 978-0-691-13589-2. p. 63.

    [14] Cyrus's date of death can be deduced from the last two references to his own reign (a tablet from Borsippa dated to 12 August and the final from Babylon 12 September 530 BC) and the first reference to the reign of his son Cambyses (a tablet from Babylon dated to 31 August and or 4 September), but a undocumented tablet from the city of Kish dates the last official reign of Cyrus to 4 December 530 BC; see R.A. Parker and W.H. Dubberstein, Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C. – A.D. 75, 1971. ..." - Cyrus the Great - Wikipedia

    "... In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they had served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that servitude seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity. And these things God did afford them; for he stirred up the mind of Cyrus, and made him write this throughout all Asia: "Thus saith Cyrus the king: Since God Almighty hath appointed me to be king of the habitable earth, I believe that he is that God which the nation of the Israelites worship; for indeed he foretold my name by the prophets, and that I should build him a house at Jerusalem, in the country of Judea." This was known to Cyrus by his reading the book which Isaiah left behind him of his prophecies; for this prophet said that God had spoken thus to him in a secret vision: "My will is, that Cyrus, whom I have appointed to be king over many and great nations, send back my people to their own land, and build my temple." This was foretold by Isaiah one hundred and forty years before the temple was demolished. Accordingly, when Cyrus read this, and admired the Divine power, an earnest desire and ambition seized upon him to fulfill what was so written; so he called for the most eminent Jews that were in Babylon, and said to them, that he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and to rebuild their city Jerusalem, and the temple of God, for that he would be their assistant, and that he would write to the rulers and governors that were in the neighborhood of their country of Judea, that they should contribute to them gold and silver for the building of the temple, and besides that, beasts for their sacrifices. ...” - Josephus; Antiquities of the Jews, Book 11, Chapter 1

    "... Daniel's prayer had been offered "in the first year of Darius" (verse 1), the Median monarch whose general, Cyrus, had wrested from Babylonia the scepter of universal rule. The reign of Darius was honored of God. To him was sent the angel Gabriel, "to confirm and to strengthen him." Daniel 11:1. Upon his death, within about two years [557] of the fall of Babylon, Cyrus succeeded to the throne, and the beginning of his reign marked the completion of the seventy years since the first company of Hebrews had been taken by Nebuchadnezzar from their Judean home to Babylon. {PK 556.4} ..." - Prophets and Kings (1917); page 556.4
     
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    Before continuing into the Medo-Persian Empire, we need to now co-relate Prophecy to History, that the remaining dates may be established from the end of Nebuchadzzar's reign, as the Bible basically ceases to give consecutive dates beyond this point, though there are other dates, and times given for correlation. For instance:

    In Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11-12, we see the pattern that Babylon (Gold, Lion, etc) was identified as the first Kingdom, to be follow by Medo-Persia, followed by Greecia, followed by Rome, and its divisions unto the final stages of earth's history before the second coming:

    in Daniel 7:

    Symbol:

    Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.​

    Symbol:

    Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.​

    Since the 4th beast is "the fourth kingdom upon earth", who then were the first 3?

    As we know that Daniel 2 was parallel in language to Daniel 7, we know who they are:

    Dan. 2:32

    Symbol:

    “This image's head was of fine gold ...”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

    Dan 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.​

    This is exactly in harmony with what the previous prophets said:

    Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Isa_14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

    Jer 4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

    Jer 49:19 Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan against the habitation of the strong: but I will suddenly make him run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me?

    Jer 49:20 Therefore hear the counsel of the LORD, that he hath taken against Edom; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the inhabitants of Teman: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely he shall make their habitations desolate with them.

    Jer 49:21 The earth is moved at the noise of their fall, at the cry the noise thereof was heard in the Red sea.

    Jer 49:22 Behold, he shall come up and fly as the eagle, and spread his wings over Bozrah: and at that day shall the heart of the mighty men of Edom be as the heart of a woman in her pangs.

    Jer 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.​

    Thus parallels Daniel 7:

    Dan. 7:4

    The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.”​
     
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    The next (second) Kingdom (after Babylon) to follow was:

    Dan. 2:32

    Symbol:

    “... his breast and his arms of silver, ...”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,​

    Paralleling Daniel 7 & 8:

    Dan. 7:5

    Symbol:

    “And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.​

    Paralleling Dan. 8:

    Dan. 8:3-4

    Symbol:

    Dan 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

    Dan 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.​

    Just as the other prophets said:

    Isa_13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

    Isa 21:2 A grievous vision is declared unto me; the treacherous dealer dealeth treacherously, and the spoiler spoileth. Go up, O Elam: besiege, O Media; all the sighing thereof have I made to cease.

    Isa 44:27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:

    Isa 44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

    Isa 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    Isa 45:2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

    Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

    Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

    Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.

    Jer 51:10 The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God.

    Jer 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.

    Jer 51:28 Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion.

    Jer 51:29 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the LORD shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.

    Dan 5:25 And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.

    Dan 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.

    Dan 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

    Dan 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

    Dan 5:29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

    Dan 5:30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.

    Dan 5:31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

    Dan 6:8 Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.

    Dan_9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

    Dan_10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.

    Dan 11:1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.​
     
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    The next (third) Kingdom to follow (the second, Medo-Persia) was:

    Dan. 2:32

    Symbol:

    “... his belly and his thighs of brass,”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 2:39 "... and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth."​

    Which is parallel to Dan. 7:

    Dan. 7:6

    Symbol:

    “After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.​

    Which parallels Dan. 8:

    Symbol:

    Dan 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

    Dan 8:6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

    Dan 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

    Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.​

    Which parallels Dan. 11:

    Dan 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

    Dan 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.

    Dan 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.​

    As the other prophets stated:

    Dan_10:20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

    Eze_27:13 Javan, Tubal, and Meshech, they were thy merchants: they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass in thy market.​

    Then follows the division of the 3rd kingdom into 4, then 2, Dan. 7:6, 8:8, 11:4-19.
     
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    and so the Fourth Kingdom was Rome:

    Dan. 2:33

    Symbol:


    “His legs of iron, ...”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.​

    Which parallels Dan. 7:

    Dan. 7:7

    Symbol:

    “ After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it ...”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.​

    Which parallels Dan. 8:

    Symbol:

    Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, ...​

    Which parallels Dan. 11:

    Dan 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.​

    Who was the raiser of taxes in the NT after Greece, when the transgression of the Jews came to the full (Mat. 23:32)? What was the occupation of Matthew of the Publicans, whose inscription was upon the coin, and why did Joseph and Mary have to travel?

    "destroyed" means "broken to pieces", and Rome was not conquered by external forces, but broke apart from within (thus "neither in anger, nor in battle"), and "few days" is contexual to the timeframe given unto it (examples upon request).

    Just as Moses had said:

    Deu 28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

    Deu 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

    Deu 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

    Deu 28:51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.

    Deu 28:52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

    Deu 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

    Deu 28:54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:

    Deu 28:55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

    Deu 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

    Deu 28:57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.​

    Just as Jesus had said:

    Mat_24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    Luk_17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.​

    Thus:

    Daniel 2:

    1. Gold = Babylon
    2. Silver = Medo-Persia
    3. Brass = Greece/Javan
    4. Iron = Rome

    Daniel 7:

    1. Lion = Babylon
    2. Bear = Medo-Persia (conquered 3, raised up)
    3. Leopard = Greece/Javan (divided into four, wings to fly)
    4. Terrible Beast = Rome

    Daniel 8:

    1. (Babylon not in the vision)
    2. Ram = Medo-Persia (conquered 3, raised up)
    3. He-Goat = Greece/Javan (divided into four, touched not the ground)
    4. Little Horn = Rome

    Daniel 10:

    1. Babylon
    2. Medo-Persia (Darius/Cyrus)
    3. Greece
    4. (Rome not mentioned)

    Daniel 11:

    1. (Babylon not in Daniel 11, as it parallels 8)
    2. Medo-Persia
    3. Greece (divided)
    4. Rome (vs 20)
     
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    No one knows the age of the earth. it says in Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth being without form and empty, and darkness on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moving gently on the face of the waters,

    No one knows how long the earth was without form and empty. Until we do, we cannot say how old the earth is. We can only speculate.
     
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    God knows, and so told us, "In the beginning ...", which was in the first "day", which was followed by Day 2, and so on unto the pattern of 7, found from Genesis to Revelation. The only difficulty is in rejecting the false ideology of uniformitarian geology and great ages of the 'principles of geology' which is eisegetically read back into the text.
     
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    Now, let us connect the extra-biblical history to the Biblical account and align them:

    Going back to Babylon's end, and the beginning of Medo-Persia with Cyrus II:

    Continuing with the successors to Cyrus II the great:

    Cyrus II (537/536 BC - 530 BC) (AM 3691/2 - AM 3697)

    Cambyses II [Cyrus II son] the “Ahasuerus” of Ezra 4:6 [not the Ahasuerus, the 'father' of Darius the Mede of Daniel 9:1, and neither the Ahasuerus of Esther [Xerxes I, The Great], “...which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, [over] an hundred and seven and twenty provinces...”] see also "Prophets and Kings", Page 572-572 [342-343]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 1st of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great] and see also See also Ezra 4:5 “...all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.” for context and period of between...

    He Reigned 530 BC – 522 BC [Babylon] (AM 3697 - AM 3705) reigned about 7 1/2 years (rounded to 8)
    He Reigned 525 BC – 522 BC [Egypt]

    False Smerdis [aka Pseudo Bardiya [or Gaumata the Usurper/sorceror] aka [false] “Artaxerxes” of Ezra 4:7-23 [4:7,8,23]] - 522 BC (AM 3705), about 6 months to 1 year or so, before being killed, found as an impostor - [Haggai [the LORD's Messenger] and Zechariah [the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the Prophet] the Prophets begin during the reign of this Usurper; Ezra 5:1, 6:14] Prophets and Kings Page 573 [343] [“...During the reign of Cambyses the work on the temple progressed slowly. And during the reign of the false Smerdis (called Artaxerxes in Ezra 4:7) the Samaritans induced the unscrupulous impostor to issue a decree forbidding the Jews to rebuild their temple and city. ...” [Prophets and Kings, page 572-573]]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 2nd of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great] and Ezra 4:7; “Artaxerxes” [reigned in between Cyrus II The Great and Darius I Hystaspes The Persian The Great, see Ezra 4:5 “...all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.” for the two 'bookend' kings] and see Ezra 4:7-24 [[false] Artaxerxes decree to cease building, which went against the Law of the Medes/Persians which changes not] and see Ezra 6:8-12 [Darius I Hystaspes The Persian The Great, after eliminating False Smerdis, has to re-issue the Decree of Cyrus II]

    Darius I The Persian, [of] Hystaspes, The Great - 522 BC – 486 BC (AM 3705 - AM 3741) [Ezra 4:5,24, 5:5; Haggai 1:1; Zechariah 1:1; wife was Atossa [daughter of Cyrus II, The Great] [not to be confused with Darius The Mede of Daniel]] [Haggai [the LORD's Messenger] and Zechariah [the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the Prophet] the Prophets continue during the reign of this King; Haggai 1:1 [even unto the 2nd year; Haggai 1:15]; Zechariah 1:1 [even unto the 4th year; Zechariah 7:1]; etc]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 3rd of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great]

    Xerxes I, The Great - 486 BC - 465 BC (AM 3741 - AM 3762) [aka; Persian: Ḫšayāršā; Hebrew: 'Achashverowsh; Bible: “Ahasuerus” [“I will be silent and poor”, or “lion-king” [Gesenius's Lexicon]] [son of Darius I Hystaspes The Persian The Great; aka "Ahasuerus" [Husband] of Esther [Hadassah] of 127 Provinces; Esther 1:1] of Esther 1:1-2,9,10,15,16,17,19, 2:1,12,16,21, 3:1,7,8,12, 6:2, 7:5, 8:1,7,10,12, 9:2,20,30, 10:1,3 [not to be confused with the father of Darius the Mede in Daniel 9:1], but rather, “Now it came to pass in the days of Ahasuerus, (this [is] Ahasuerus which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, [over] an hundred and seven and twenty provinces” Esther 1:1; Queen was Vashti, and then Queen was [Hadassah] Esther [whose uncle was Mordecai the Jew]; Xerxes was the son of Darius The Persian and Atossa] [Esther, the Book of happens during the reign of this King], [“...Xerxes,—the Ahasuerus of the book of Esther...” [Prophets and Kings, page 598.2]] [“...Darius Hystaspes, under whose reign the Jews had been shown marked favor, was succeeded by Xerxes the Great. ...” [Prophets and Kings, page 600.1]]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 4th of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great]; [“...the fourth shall be far richer than [they] all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.”]

    Artaxerxes I Longimanus/Macrocheir, The Great [Artaxerxes was the son of Xerxes I and his wife Amestris] - 465 BC – 424 BC (AM 3762 - AM 3803); his 7th year of reign is astronomically, historically, established at 457 BC (circa AM 3769); [Ezra [the scribe] in the first years at least, while Nehemiah [the cupbearer] was in the latter years at least, 20th year] [“...But it was not until several years later, in the seventh year of Artaxerxes I, the successor of Xerxes the Great, that any considerable number returned to Jerusalem, under Ezra. ...” [Prophets and Kings, page 605.3]] [“...The decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus for the restoring and building of Jerusalem, the third issued since the close of the seventy years’ captivity, is remarkable for its expressions regarding the God of heaven, for its recognition of the attainments of Ezra, and for the liberality of the grants made to the remnant people of God. Artaxerxes refers to Ezra as “the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the Lord, and of His statutes to Israel;” “a scribe of the law of the God of heaven.” The king united with his counselors in offering freely “unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem;” and in addition he made provision for meeting many heavy expenses by ordering that they be paid “out of the king’s treasure house.” Verses 11, 12, 15, 20. ...” [Prophets and Kings; page 610.1]]

    Xerxes II [son of Artaxerxes I Longimanus] - Reigned 424 BC (AM 3803) [reigned 45 days]

    He was killed by brother Sogdianus.​

    Sogdianus [son of Artaxerxes I Longimanus] - Reigned 424 BC – 423 BC (AM 3803 - AM 3804) [reigned 6 months 15 days]

    He was killed by Arbarios, commander of the calvary.​

    Darius II [son of Artaxerxes I Longimanus; aka “Ochus” and aka “Nothos”] - Reigned 423 BC – 405 BC (AM 3804 - AM 3822); see Nehemiah 12:12

    Artaxerxes II Mnemon [son of Darius II of Persia] - Reigned 405 BC – 359/8 BC (AM 3822 - AM 3868/9)

    Artaxerxes III Of Persia [son of Artaxerxes II Mnemon] - Lived ca. 425 BC – 338 BC; Reigned 359/8 BC – 338 BC (AM 3868/9 - AM 3889)

    Artaxerxes IV Arses Of Persia [son of Artaxerxes III Of Persia] - Reigned 338 BC – 336 BC (AM 3889 - AM 3891)

    Darius III Codomannus [aka “Artashata”] - Reigned 336 BC – 330 BC (AM 3891 - AM 3897)

    He was defeated by Alexander The III The Great, and thus really ended the Silver Medo/Perisan reign...​

    Artaxerxes V [aka “Bessus”] - Reigned 330 BC (AM 3897) [lived a short rebellion, dies in 329 BC]

    After the Silver Persian Kingdom, came the Brass/Bronze Greek [Greecian/Macedonian] Kingdom:

    Which The Brass/Bronze Greek Empire truly began with:

    Alexander III The Great Of Macedon [King of the West] [son of Phillip II Of Macedon] - Lived 356 BC – 323 BC; see Daniel 8:5,8,21; 11:3-4
    Reigned 336 BC – 323 BC [Macedon]
    Reigned 332 BC – 323 BC [Egypt]
    Reigned 330 BC – 323 BC (AM 3897 - AM 3904) [Persia]


    ...temporarily succeeded by his infant son, Alexander IV Aegus [Lived 329 BC – 309 BC; Reigned 323 BC – 309 BC] and half-brother Phillip III of Macedon [aka "Arrhidaeus"] [Lived ca. 359 BC – 317 BC; Reigned 323 BC – 317 BC], both were killed.

    ...later after the deaths of Alexanders' son and half-brother, and the wars of the 12 Major or so Diadochi, and the division of Greece into 4 Heads, they battled and battled until only two major were really left [Lysimachus and Cassander being dropped out], 4 Heads of the Leopard Daniel 7, 4 Horns of the He-Goat of Daniel 8
     
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    [1] Ptolemy I Soter I [Saviour; aka Ptolemy Lagides] King Of The South; Lived 367 BC – 283 BC; Reigned 323 BC – 283 BC (AM 3904 - AM 3944) [Egypt; Kingdom of the South]

    [2] Lysimachus [son of Agathocles] - Lived 360 BC – 281 BC; Reigned 306 BC – 281 BC [Thrace]

    [3] Cassander [son of Antipater] - Lived 350 BC – 297 BC; Reigned 305 BC – 297 BC [Macedon]

    [4] Seleucus I Nicator [Victor] [son of Antiochus & Laodice] King of the North - Lived 358 BC – 281 BC; Reigned 305 BC – 281 BC (AM 3922 - AM 3946) [Coele-Syria; Babylon, Kingdom of the North]

    Lysimachus and those after him and Cassander and those after him, grew weaker, and thus The Two Heads/Horns that were left are these [in short]:

    Ptolemy [King of the South, that is to the South of Jerusalem – Egypt]

    [1] Ptolemy I Soter I 323 – 282 BC (AM 3904 - AM 3944) [first satrap/prince, then King]

    [2] Ptolemy II Philadelphus 282 – 246 BC (AM 3944 - AM 3980)

    [3] Ptolemy III Euergetes 246 – 222 BC (AM 3980 - AM 4004)

    [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator 222 – 205/4 BC (AM 4004 - AM 4021/2)

    [5] Ptolemy V Epiphanes 205/4 – 180 BC (Am 4021/2 - AM 4046)

    [6] Ptolemy VI Philometor 180 – 145 BC (AM 4046 - AM 4081)

    Seleucus/Antiochus [King of the North, that is to the North of Jerusalem – Babylon [Syria]]

    [1] Seleucus I Nicator [Victor] 358 – 281 BC (AM 3922 - AM 3946)

    [2] Antiochus I Soter [skipped, and goes straight to Antiochus II Theos] 281 – 261 BC (AM 3946 - AM 3966) [born 286 BC]

    [3] Antiochus II Theos [God] 261 – 246 BC (AM 3966 - AM 3981)

    [4] Seleucus II Callinicus [Beautiful Victor] or aka Pogon [Bearded] 246 – 225 BC (AM 3981 - AM 4002)

    [5] Seleucus III Soter Ceraunus [Saviour Thunder] 225 – 223 BC (AM 4002 - AM 4004) [born 243 BC]

    [6] Antiochus III The Great 222 – 187 BC (AM 4004 - AM 4039) [born 241 BC]​

    ...and there really ended the rule of Brass/Bronze Greece, as Pagan Rome came up into power, and threw back Antiochus III The Great, which died attempting a robbery of a temple, and had even his son as hostage for a time ...

    ...other seleucids did come, but their power was weak, and Rome grew stronger ...
     
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    What is amazing, is that by Daniel 11:20 KJB, Jerusalem would be leveled to the ground by Rome, even as it was earlier leveled to the ground by Babylon.

    Therefore, we can go back to the king of Greecia, and start from there, and continue into Rome:

    Antiochus III The Great 222 – 187 BC (AM 4004 - AM 4039) [born 241 BC]​

    transfer of strength to Rome 187 BC - 168 BC (AM 4039 - AM 4058)

    Rome 168 BC (AM 4058)

    "... In 168 BC, it [Pella] was sacked by the Romans, and its treasury transported to Rome, and Livy reported how the city looked in 167 BC to Lucius Aemilius Paulus Macedonicus, the Roman who defeated Perseus at the battle of Pydna: ..." - Pella - Wikipedia

    "... The third and second century BC saw the establishment of Roman hegemony over the Mediterranean and the East, through the three Punic Wars (264–146 BC) fought against the city of Carthage and the three Macedonian Wars (212–168 BC) against Macedonia.[34] Then were established the first Roman provinces: Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica, Hispania, Macedonia, Achaea and Africa.[35] ..." - Rome - Wikipedia

    (etc)

    (Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix)


    And after a short period comes along Julius Caesar:

    "... Gaius Julius Caesar[a] (/ˈsiːzər/; Latin pronunciation: [ˈɡaː.i.ʊs ˈjuː.li.ʊs ˈkae̯.sar]; 12 or 13 July 100 BC – 15 March 44 BC),[c] known by his nomen and cognomen Julius Caesar ..." - Julius Caesar - Wikipedia

    Julius Caesar - Ruled Rome - October 49 BC – 15 March 44 BC (AM 4177 - AM 4182)

    Gaius Octavius Thurinus (Augustus) - Ruled Rome (40 years) - 16 January 27 BC - 19 August AD 14 (AM 4199 - AM 4239, no year 0, goes from 1 BC to AD 1)

    The date of BC 1 (circa AM 4225)
    the date of AD 1 (circa AM 4226)

    Thus from BC 1 to AD 2019, we need to add 2019 years to AM 4225;

    AM 4225 (BC 1) + 2019 years = AM 6244 ish.
     
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    I hate to break it to you, but the Roman Empire only figures as a continuation of the Greek Empire as God declared in the Book of Joel.

    In Jer 50, around 120 BC, Babylon was desolated and devastated by the Greek king having dominion over the land of Babylon and God declared to Jeremiah that Babylon would not be remembered for a period of around 2,000 years. After the passing of the 2,000 plus years Babylon was remembered again in 1926 and recognised as a kingdom once more and went under the label of Iraq as prophesised in Rev 16:17-21.

    But those scriture verses do not fit your theory.

    Shalom

    PS modified to demonstrate to @ReChoired that both scripture and history is mentioned in this post in two places.

    It just happens that he has not been taught about it within the SDA denomination.
     
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    Jeremiah 50 is in the context of Jeremiah 51 (see Jeremiah 50:1 through 51:59-60), with the "bows" and "archers" and "arrows" of the "kings of the Medes" (Jeremiah 51:11,28), and is not addressing Greece, at all.

    As for Joel it doesn't anywhere say that the Roman Empire is a 'continuation' of the Greek Empire. It does mention the Jews being sold to the Greeks as slaves (Joel 3:6), and then God sells the slave masters into the hands of the Sabeans (Joel 3:8).

    The true fulfillment of Joel was yet future from his own day (Joel 2:28-30), as Peter quotes from this in Acts, and John in Revelation. Joel 2:31 was fulled rather recently, being the great Dark day, May 19, 1780.

    "... The Dark Day, as it's become known, took place on May 19, 1780 in New England and parts of eastern Canada. ..." - What caused the mystery of the Dark Day?

    Yet, the historical citations show that it was spread even further than this.

    In fact one of the greatest (looking back, slightly comical) moments in history, was when this was stated:

    "... A particularly famous scene unfolded in the Connecticut Governor’s Council. Shaken by the preternatural darkness, some of the politicians suggested ending their meeting early. Councilman Abraham Davenport, a Connecticut militia colonel, would have none of it. “I am against adjournment,” he said. “The day of judgment is either approaching, or it is not. If it is not, there is no cause of an adjournment; if it is, I choose to be found doing my duty. I wish therefore that candles may be brought.” Stirred by these words, the council agreed to continue the session by candlelight. The writer John Greenleaf Whittier would later immortalize Davenport’s courage in an 1866 poem. ..." - https://www.history.com/news/remembering-new-englands-dark-day
    George Washington himself made comment:

    "... General George Washington, who was encamped with his Continental Army in nearby New Jersey, commented on the strange weather in a May 18 diary entry. “Heavy and uncommon kind of clouds,” he wrote, “dark and at the same time a bright and reddish kind of light intermixed with them…” ..." - https://www.history.com/news/remembering-new-englands-dark-day
    There are many such historical citations, for instance, and more could be cited.

    The great German astronomer Hershel states: "The dark day of North America was one of those wonderful phenomena of nature which will always be read with interest, but which philosophy is at a loss to explain. ..."
    Webster's Dictionary:

    "... In Noah Webster’s American Dictionary of English Language, 1833 edition [Also in the original 1828 edition which is available in a facsimile reproduction published in 1967], he writes: ‘the dark day of May 19, 1780 so-called because of remarkable darkness of that day – the obscuration began about ten o’clock in the morning and continued until the middle of the next night.’ ..." - Link
    Another:

    "... “…[This] occurred the same night that the sun was darkened. …Concerning this Dr. Adams wrote, ‘Almost everyone who happened to be out in the evening got lost in going home. The darkness was as uncommon in the night as it was in the day for the moon was full the night before.’ Mr. Teeney of Exeter, New Hampshire wrote, ‘The darkness of the following evening was probably as gross as has ever been observed since the Almighty fiat gave birth to light. I could not help conceiving at the time that if every luminous body in the universe had been shrouded in impenetrable darkness or struck out of existence, the darkness could not have been more complete.’..." - Link
    Another:

    "... The extent of the darkness was very remarkable ... From the accounts that have been received it seems to have extended all over the New England States. It was observed as far east as Falmouth [Portland, Maine]. To the westward, we hear of its reaching to the furthers parts of Connecticut, and Albany. To the southward, it was observed all along the seacoasts. And to the north as far as our settlements extend. It is probable it extended much beyond these limits in some directions. ..." - William Gordon, History of the Rise, Progress, and Establihment of the Independence of the U.S.A., Vol. III, p. 57 (see also The Williams Quarterly, Volumes 4-5; pgs 338-339 - The Williams Quarterly )
    Many more may be cited.

    I cite scripture and history, and you cite 'you'.
     
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    I hate to break it to you but I also cited scripture and history. Your argument that I only cited myself is a flawed and false argument when you have no other defence against what I had posted.

    For a man of letters, you seem to be playing lose with the scriptures and your understanding as demonstrated above.

    I am reminded of the saying, "quantity does not infer quality," and you seem to like quantity and not quality in what you post.

    Shalom
     
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    Where???

    Allow me to continue some more.

    Earthquake – Lisbon, AD November 1, 1755 (to be followed up, there was an earthquake at Jesus death, and there was an earthquake at His resurrection (both of which involved Angels, including Gabriel), interesting is the fact that there are endtime events which parallel those in the events of Jesus in AD 31, sandwiched between two earthquakes, like a special resurrection, etc, see details in the Desire of Ages and Great Controversy)

    Dark Day (Sun/Moon) – AD May 19, 1780

    Stars – AD November 13, 1833

    Heaven Departed as a scroll (not Yet, still Future) (like as a veil)​

    Details:

    [1,290, AD 508 unto AD 1798]
    Daniel 12:11 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

    [1,335, AD 508 unto AD 1843/44]
    Daniel 12:12 KJB - "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."
    Revelation 14:13 KJB - "... Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth ..."

    [70 Weeks, 62 + 7 + 1 [1/2 + 1/2], 457 BC unto AD 27 [Baptism], unto AD 31 [Cross], unto AD 34 [Stephen], then the remaining 1810, unto AD 1843/44]
    Daniel 9:24-27 KJB - Whole ...

    [5 Anti-typical feast Months, AD 31-100, unto AD 1833/34, Day of Trumpets, from Pentecost; Leviticus 23; Woe 1, Woe 2 and Woe 3, encompassing the whole 'Exodus', 'Wilderness' unto 'Canaan']
    Revelation 9:5 KJB - "... five months ..."
    Revelation 9:6 KJB - "... those days ..."
    Revelation 9:10 KJB - "... five months ..."

    [1,260, 42 months, time, times and 1/2 time; AD 538 unto AD 1798]
    Daniel 7:25 KJB - "... a time and times and the dividing of time." ["wear out the saints"]
    Daniel 12:7 KJB - "... a time, times, and a half ..." ["scatter the power of the holy people"]
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... the tribulation of those days ..." [reference to Daniel]
    Mark 13:24 KJB - "...that tribulation ..." [reference to Daniel]
    Luke 21:24 KJB - "... the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
    Revelation 6:11 KJB - "... killed as they were ..." [two groups, past and future, see Rev. 20:4 KJB]
    Revelation 11:2 KJB - "... given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."
    Revelation 11:3 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threscore days ..."
    Revelation 12:6 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
    Revelation 12:14 KJB - "... a time, and times, and a half a time ..." ["persecuted", see vs 13]
    Revelation 13:5 KJB - " ... forty and two months." ["power" was given to "him" [1st [sea] Beast, Rev. 13]]

    [Great Lisbon Earthquake, AD 1755, November 1]

    Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... a great earthquake ..."

    [Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19 - Sun]
    Joel 2:10 KJB - "... the sun ... shall be dark ..."
    Joel 2:31 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... shall the sun be darkened ..."
    Mark 13:24 KJB - "... the sun shall be darkened ..."
    Luke 21:25 KJB - "And there shall be signs in the sun ..."
    Acts 2:20 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
    Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair ..."

    [Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19 - Moon]
    Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the moon shall be dark ..."
    Joel 2:31 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before the great and terrible day of the LORD come]
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light ..."
    Mark 13:24 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light,"
    Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the moon ..."
    Acts 2:20 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before that great and notable day of the Lord come]]
    Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the moon became as blood;"

    [Reign of Terror, French Revolution, AD 1793 unto AD 1797/8; 'spiritually Egypt and Sodom']
    Revelation 11:9 KJB - "... three days and an half ..."
    Revelation 11:11 KJB - "... after three days and a half ..."

    [Great Leonid Meteor Shower, AD 1833, November 13]
    Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the stars shall fall from heaven ..."
    Mark 13:25 KJB - "And the stars of heaven shall fall ..."
    Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the stars ..."
    Revelation 6:13 KJB - "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth ..."

    [Day of Atonement, AD 1844, October 22; 2,300 which began in 457 BC, Ezra 7, Daniel 9, etc ending in AD 1843/44]
    Daniel 8:14 KJB - "... Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
    Revelation 9:15 KJB - "... prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year ..." [Rev. 14:6-7; Leviticus 23:26-32; 1 Kings 8:2; Daniel 8:13,14,26, etc]
    Revelation 10:6 KJB - "... that there should be time no longer ..." [no more prophetic time as a test]

    Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and upon earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;"

    Isaiah 13:7 KJB - "Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:"
    Isaiah 13:8 KJB - "And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrow shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth ..."
    Luke 21:26 KJB - "Men's heart's failing them from fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth ..."

    Isaiah 13:10 KJB - "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."
    Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the stars shall withdraw their shining:"
    Joel 3:15 KJB - "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."

    [The Close of probation for mankind in receiving and assimilating the Everlasting Gospel]

    Daniel 12:1 KJB -"And at that time shall Michael stand up ... there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time ..."
    Luke 13:25 KJB - "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without ..."
    Revelation 10:7 KJB - "In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished ..."
    Revelation 22:11 KJB - "He that is unjust, let him be unjest still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."

    [7 Last plagues, Wrath of God poured out]
    Job 14:13 KJB - "... thy wrath ..."
    Revelation 11:18 KJB - "... and thy wrath is come ..." [Revelation 16:2-17 KJB]

    [Final Events]

    Jeremiah 25:30 KJB - "... The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth."
    Joel 2:11 KJB - "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army ..."
    Joel 3:16 KJB - "The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, utter his voice from Jerusalem ..." [New Jerusalem in Heaven]

    Joel 3:16 KJB - "... and the heavens and the earth shall shake ..."
    Mark 13:25 KJB - "... and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken."
    Luke 21:26 KJB - "... for the powers of heaven shall be shaken."
    Hebrews 12:26 KJB - "... I shake not the earth only, but also heaven:"

    1 Kings 18:44 KJB - "... ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand ..."
    Matthew 24:30 KJB - "And then shall the appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ..."

    Revelation 6:14 KJB - "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together ..."

    Revelation 16:18 KJB - "... a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."

    Revelation 6:14 KJB - "... and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
    Revelation 16:20 KJB - "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

    Matthew 24:30 KJB - "... and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
    Mark 13:26 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
    Luke 21:27 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and glory."
    Revelation 6:15 KJB - "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;"
     
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    Have you ever seen an earthquake in the oceans around the island that you live on. I assume that you live on this island: -
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    in the American Samoan Islands group.

    The Greek word is used in Matthew 28:2 is the same Greek word found in Matthew 8:24 which describes the turmoil in the sea as Jesus was asleep in the boat and the disciples feared for their lives because of the standing waves etc., that could swamp their boat and sink it.

    This same Greek word as found in the Matthew 8:24 is also found in the following passages: - Matthew 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18, all of them with the meaning of "turmoil."

    You are looking for "earthquakes" in the Book of Revelation, whereas I am looking for description of turmoil occurring among the people, which are often associated with battles and wars.

    Perhaps your letters represent a person who has been brainwashed into accepting what you know. Not something that you have discovered.

    Shalom
     
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