All Christians will Die Part 1

[blessedhope]

And A recent article here, titled “Why the Rapture Is Not a New Delirium,” triggered an outsized number of responses. Most were from pro-Rapture believers. That would not be surprising, given RaptureReady’s primary audience. However, one frequent query we encountered was in reaction to the claim that ALL tribulational Christians—these being those that come to recognize Christ as Lord and Savior after the Rapture—would be sure to perish.
[SIZE=12pt]We hold to that view, and will here present our reasons.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]We even ask: Why would any Christian want to survive through the Tribulation in the first place? Though tribulational Christians do not have the special position of raptured Christians, they nevertheless are promised a reward at the start of the Millennium, as the Bible clearly states. They will experience the First Resurrection at that point.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]As we will show, a literal reading of the Bible clearly and plainly supports the understanding that there will be no Christians that will physically survive the Tribulation period. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]But, readers may well ask: Why even concern ourselves with this point? Is it not true that Christians will be removed from the earth (the Rapture) before the time of God’s wrath begins? And if so, why would we even care about the course of prophesied earthly developments after that point?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Answer: All Scripture is profitable for teaching (2 Timothy 3:16), and this Biblical issue is no exception. As it turns out, the question regarding the fate of Christians during the Tribulation is a critical one in the defense of the Rapture Doctrine, as we will show.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Perhaps only a minority of Christians today believe in the Pretribulational Rapture Doctrine. They believe that Christians will go through the Tribulation … presuming that any apocalyptic Scriptures are believed at all. Also, numerous inventive variations of Rapture teachings have emerged—Pre-Wrath, Mid- and Post-tribulational … etc. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The tales that the Christian dead tell us in Scripture, in this respect refute all these other beliefs regarding the Rapture. If ALL Christians indeed die in the Tribulation, then some glaring inconsistencies are exposed in these variant views, thus giving credence to the Rapture Doctrine.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Positional Differences of Pre- and Post-Rapture Christians[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Do all Christians die in the Apocalypse … and can we prove it? To answer, we must begin by noting the positional distinctions between ALL tribulational Christians, and those of the pre-Tribulation period who are ALL raptured. During the Tribulation, the Holy Spirit is no longer an unction upon earth as during the Church Age. The Comforter has been removed along with the Church, and the Antichrist has been revealed. Those who come to Christ during the Tribulation are not spared suffering and physical death (the First Death), as are the raptured saints (who are alive at the time).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Pre-tribulational Christians of the Church Age are translated (physically changed for eternity, this the Rapture) to be in Christ’s presence. Tribulational Christians are not translated to new eternal bodies … at least, not until after the Millennium. The raptured Christians do not experience the First Death; the latter group do. Tribulational Christians ALL must face a physical death. [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt] ALL are certain to become martyrs. [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]Graciously, tribulational Christians are promised the First Resurrection at the start of the Millennium.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]While both groups of Christians are given eternal life and share a common eternal fate after the Millennium (neither experience the Second Death), their paths, experiences and positions are very different.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Christians During the Time of Wrath[/SIZE]

 

[blessedhope]

And Without a doubt, people will become believers in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, during the Tribulation Period. As the terror of this time erupts, earth dwellers will come to the recognition that Jesus Christ was who He said He was—the Messiah … the Savior … the Son of God. The state of evil in the world, as well as the appearance of the Antichrist, will be obvious to all. The timing of remaining prophetic events is then no longer entirely speculative. These are clearly seen to be unfolding.
[SIZE=12pt]By the time of the 6th seal (this the most apocalyptic and shaking to that time), it will be clearly obvious to all that the world is facing God’s wrath. In fact, they openly acknowledge this fact, saying, “The great day of their wrath has come” (Revelation 6:17).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]As such, many people do become Christians during the Tribulation. In fact, there are so many that the Bible calls them a “great multitude” (Revelation 7:9).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]However, we may be getting ahead of ourselves. Where does this “multitude” of saints come from, and what is their fate?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The Great Winnowing[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The great winnowing of tribulational Christians from earth is described in Revelation 13:11-17. The False Prophet (the Second Beast) orders all to worship an image of the First Beast, and[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] presses all to take upon themselves the mark of the First Beast, so that they can buy and sell. Those that DO worship the image of the beast and take this mark will be eternally damned (Revelation 14:11). [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]What happens to those who DO NOT take the mark of the False Prophet and refuse to worship the image of the beast? The good news: They are redeemed and therefore will not be condemned to the lake of fire. Nevertheless, they will not be spared suffering. These Christians will be killed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The Bible clearly says that “[…] all those [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]who refused to worship the image [will] be killed” (Revelation 13:15). Revelation 20:4 confirms this, saying: “[…] I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Again, the goods news amidst the terrors? The tribulational Christians who refuse the “mark” are spared the Second Death. Yet, they must face the First Death before being rewarded with the First Resurrection at the start of the Millennium.[/SIZE]

 

[blessedhope]

And Two Phases of Slain Saints
[SIZE=12pt]We place the aforementioned events shown in Revelation 13, as occurring sometime between/during the fifth and sixth seals. Events that the Bible describes during these seal judgments closely align with the Great Winnowing.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]To be sure, Christians are already being slain before the fifth seal. We see these first tribulational Christians that are killed shown in Revelation 6:9-11. The Bible says: “When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, ‘How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?’ Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Presented here are the souls of the Christians who have been slaughtered between the Rapture and the time of the 5th seal. They are shown under the altar in heaven and are told to stay there “until the full number of their fellow servants” (Revelation 6:11) are killed as they had been. These earlier Christians are waiting until the rest of the martyrs arrive.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]A little later (at the time of the sixth seal), we now see that the “full number” has arrived. As already mentioned, there are so many martyrs at this point that they are called a “great multitude.” John the Revelator says “[…] there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands” (Revelation 7:9). These souls are identified as coming out of the “tribulation” (Revelation 7:14). They are tribulational martyrs … a very large number. The fact that they now all hold palm branches signifies that they have attained victory and eternal life.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Just what event or development could have caused such a large influx of Christian souls, to have arrived in front of the throne in such a short space of time? According to our understanding, the great winnowing of Revelation 13:11-17 occurred. It is the final “dividing line,” we think. A large number of earth dwellers have refused to take the “mark” and are martyred. By the end of the 6th seal, these souls end up in front of the throne.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Envisioning both phases of the slain saints, says the Bible of them: “This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus. Then I heard a voice from heaven say, ‘Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ‘Yes,’ says the Spirit, ‘they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them’” (Revelation 14:12-13).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Why Christian Dead Tell Tales [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The view that all tribulational Christians will be martyred is problematic for many. For one, it nullifies the case for a Rapture occurring any other time than before the Tribulation. If, for example, there were no Christians alive on earth as of the early stages of the second half of the Tribulation, there could be no Mid- or Post-tribulational Rapture. What would be the point? There is no one—or perhaps only an insignificant number—to be raptured.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Or, let’s assume that the Rapture naysayers are right in that there is no Rapture of any kind. To take this position means that All Christians will go into the Tribulation period. And, more Christians may be added to their number through conversions during the earlier stages of the Tribulation (though this is immaterial to the issue here). However, the question then arises: Why would God allow that ALL Christians in the world be killed during the Tribulation?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Critically, why would God allows some non-Christians and Jews to survive … but no Christians?[/SIZE]

 

[Eoreris]

Jesus said that those days will be cut (Short) for the sake of the (Elect) From revelation we know this elect is a literal number of 144 thousand.. Everyone else wraps around that.. Jesus said pray that you may be hid.. This verse is not for the elect but for believers ,,, With that there will be many that are in places the war will or riots will not reach as bad. Those that (Remain alive) will be transformed without pain or death when God cuts it short for this (Pure) elect. Jerusalem - now spiritually moved to a city in the US will be where the mass of God's wrath will take place.. Jerusalem has been given over to non Jewish leadership to see what they (The gentiles) could do with it to honor and worship God.. Thus it has been given a (New) city and a base. It was a golden cup in God.s hand and sucsesfully evangelized the World with it's blessings but now has become S.N.A.F.U Situation normal all fouled up.. God will get his final glory in destroying it.. That is--- It is what it is.. This is the God we have and there is no other.. God looked... and he found no other.. Our modern intelligence cannot accept a (God) that has wrath.. We see our Earthly leaders leading with diplomacy and descent problem solving. God does not speak to us as leaders of this World.. He speaks with dragons and beast and weird communication and lightning strikes.. We feel that we are evolved to a state of decency and how to dress, how to court, how to respect and obey man's laws and how to build and act right before each other. But we read the bible and it is all weird and seems cave man like.. All you gotta do is die.. and the next thing you will experience will be a God.. --or no God

 

[mjrhealth]

[SIZE=12pt]Is it not true that Christians will be removed from the earth[/SIZE]

Are we talking about those who call themselves christians or those who are Christans, there seems to be a great difference between those who do and those whom Christ knows.

Mat_15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

If God has a purpose for us to be here so be it, It is His will be done not "lets run away its too scary."

 

[blessedhope]

Eoreris I like you mix and match and ramble on like 144 thousand and the elect you take just bits from what you have been told or heard about and trying to put it together >>>good for you but as I see it you have no clue about bible prophecy! Time is short.

 

[Eoreris]

I have received vision dreams since 1985.. Almost all are bad to see and take.. The end is like a high speed highway.. People running to and fro and knowledge increased.. An out of control highway crash.. Cars are spinning into an out of control crash..They collide and people spill out onto the highway and are slipping around in oil, gas or human guts and organs and they try to get off the highway but slip and fall as big rig trucks that cannot stop crash through them.. and even more cars and big trucks explode sliding through the people as they were just seconds earlier safe in an SUV playing an I phone game.. Fire and bodies become a blur and sceams.. Then even more big trucks crash in as people with half a body beg for help with chattering teeth but nothing comes or happens.. God destroyed (Half) of the Israel even as Moses begged him not to destroy them all when his wife tried to take over with an earthquake that swallowed them up into fire... I see visions from God.. God blinds the Dammed.. I see.. I know.. Many might rule in internet land with lies of Rapture before wrath.. Only those who know will be hid

 

[TopherNelson]

I have received vision dreams since 1985.. Almost all are bad to see and take.. The end is like a high speed highway.. People running to and fro and knowledge increased.. An out of control highway crash.. Cars are spinning into an out of control crash..They collide and people spill out onto the highway and are slipping around in oil, gas or human guts and organs and they try to get off the highway but slip and fall as big rig trucks that cannot stop crash through them.. and even more cars and big trucks explode sliding through the people as they were just seconds earlier safe in an SUV playing an I phone game.. Fire and bodies become a blur and sceams.. Then even more big trucks crash in as people with half a body beg for help with chattering teeth but nothing comes or happens.. God destroyed (Half) of the Israel even as Moses begged him not to destroy them all when his wife tried to take over with an earthquake that swallowed them up into fire... I see visions from God.. God blinds the Dammed.. I see.. I know.. Many might rule in internet land with lies of Rapture before wrath.. Only those who know will be hid

Lies of rapture before wrath. God will prepare for a place in the wilderness for the woman.

 

[Eoreris]

Yes, the Woman (The 144 thousand virgin males) will be (Hid) during the 2 witnesses testimony for their 1260 days as they (The 2 witnesses) walk the great city underfoot to entice the beast who was- is not and yet is.. They will walk at his great (Tower)- they will walk the broad way- They will walk the battery and sit and meditate...- when they die -they are born ..They will die from the sickness.. They will be swallowed up by death in the shape of a trumpet... When the 2 witnesses die and ascend the devil is cast out to the Earth.. All is over (The continual sacrifice) - All repentance in the name of Jesus ends and will not be acceptable any more.. and after that --he (The devil) pursues the (Woman) but she flys quickly to her place that she hid before for a time,times and half of a time (3.5 years) She rides out God's wrath fully hid.. And after that--Christ comes to rescue her before the World attempts to go nuclear.. Christ destroys his enemies on Earth by supernatural conventional means.. All is rolled up.. Those alive that are Christ are transformed without pain of death to new bodies and are caught up in the air to him.. The rest are destroyed by death and later their souls are judged.. The end comes very much the same as the flood of Noah.. People see it as something else.. natural disasters and invasion from aliens from another planet... How stupid they are... It will be what they get... damnation..

 

[keras]

What you dream, Eoreis, is the next prophesied event: The terrible Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun. Isaiah 30:26-30
How the rest of the last days pan out isn't of great concern to us right now. What we should be aware of and prepared for is the Day the Lord arises and judges the nations. Habakkuk 3:12
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[heretoeternity]

Apostle Paul says in 1st Thess 4 the dead in Christ shall rise first, and those who are alive shall be caught up in the clouds with Jesus...during the tribulation protection will be give to "those who have the testimony of Jesus, and keep God's commandments"....