And The Killing Goes On . .

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1stCenturyLady

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She -- the Nice President is a woman -- won't act on just your opinion. She will want concrete evidence of cause and effect, not simply your opinion.

Jim, I really don't think it is a coincidence.
 

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Let's also remember that Illinois has some of the strictest gun control measures, but there are daily homicides in Chicago.

Which means that gun control legislation is to prevent law-abiding citizens from defending themselves. Criminals do not give a hoot about these laws, and they also know that the justice system favors them rather than the victims.

But the real criminals are the politicians and judges who change the laws to favor criminals, and make sure that the killers are back on the streets in record time. All this talk about mass shootings and how terrible they are is simply hot air. The Democratic mayors, governors, and politicians just love these mass shootings, since they are used to attack the Second Amendment at every opportunity. Nothing was done for over 50 years to genuinely ensure that students in schools and colleges were properly protected against madmen with guns and rifles. And still nothing is being done.

Now the police chief of Uvalde, Texas, has resigned because the police massively failed to do their jobs. At the same time the FBI has become a criminal Gestapo organization focused on locking up those who dissent against the Leftist hijacking of America. What they recently did to Peter Navarro was illegal and outrageous, while they let the BLM and Antifa agitators go free.

FBI Arrests Peter Navarro One Day After He Vows to Impeach Biden (breitbart.com)

The DOJ wants to call law-abiding parents "domestic terrorists" while they actually fund and favor the real terrorists! So when the rule of law has been abolished right at the top, why should criminals worry about consequences? Lawlessness is the norm for Joe Biden and his thugs (colluding with the drug cartels), and the evidence is at the southern border.

Taking away guns from adults is the first thing Hitler did to Germany. Its guns in the hands of kids who want to live out their video games for real!
 

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Its guns in the hands of kids who want to live out their video games for real!
What about guns in the hands of criminals? Shouldn't that be the top priority? Also the detailed daily and hourly reporting of mass shootings is actually working in reverse, and giving crazy kids and criminals ideas for their next "adventure". There have been many "copy cat" murders in the past. Therefore a single paragraph on any incident should suffice, or one line on a TV broadcast chyron. The general public can do nothing about a crime that has been committed. But the media love the sensationalism and ratings.
 

Jim B

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Crazy people are doing this....the media is inspiring them.
King for a day! Crazy people that want attention at all costs.
They do not have any other reason to shoot.
You cannot fix stupid but you can address the people that are manipulating them.

What is your basis for saying that "the media is inspiring them"? And what is the media that you're referring to?
 

Jim B

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What about guns in the hands of criminals? Shouldn't that be the top priority? Also the detailed daily and hourly reporting of mass shootings is actually working in reverse, and giving crazy kids and criminals ideas for their next "adventure". There have been many "copy cat" murders in the past. Therefore a single paragraph on any incident should suffice, or one line on a TV broadcast chyron. The general public can do nothing about a crime that has been committed. But the media love the sensationalism and ratings.

And you basis for saying this is..?
 

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What is your basis for saying that "the media is inspiring them"? And what is the media that you're referring to?

The concept of copy cat killers is not new nor is it my conclusion. Most of these people that are killing do not have a vendetta against those they kill. They do not accomplish anything by killing except attention or recognition or the desire to share the pain or fear they have in their heads. Those that commit these crimes are generally found to be mentally and or emotionally disturbed. The media coverage is something that the mentally disturbed seem to fixate on. Particularly those that are prone to violence. The media's involvement in what has been called cluster crimes has long been known...even from the time of Jack the Ripper. There are several sites on the internet that discuss copy cat killers and cluster killings.

The Psychology of "Copycat Killers"
 

Jim B

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The concept of copy cat killers is not new nor is it my conclusion. Most of these people that are killing do not have a vendetta against those they kill. They do not accomplish anything by killing except attention or recognition or the desire to share the pain or fear they have in their heads. Those that commit these crimes are generally found to be mentally and or emotionally disturbed. The media coverage is something that the mentally disturbed seem to fixate on. Particularly those that are prone to violence. The media's involvement in what has been called cluster crimes has long been known...even from the time of Jack the Ripper. There are several sites on the internet that discuss copy cat killers and cluster killings.

The Psychology of "Copycat Killers"

I agree with your basic premise, except for one point.

Their exposure is more the problem of social media. Those platforms have given exposure to every crazy that wants to put out the maniacal agendas. Responsible media aren't the problem.
 

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I agree with your basic premise, except for one point.

Their exposure is more the problem of social media. Those platforms have given exposure to every crazy that wants to put out the maniacal agendas. Responsible media aren't the problem.

I am sure that social media is a factor.
Is there such a thing as responsible media? LOL
If you check into copy cat killers and cluster killings it is actually something law enforcement....profilers use.
And for what good it would do, they have interviewed these people in prison.
And then right now we are living it.
 

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Because it is to simplistic and not backed up by any evidence. There are other possible factors: violent TV shows, the availability of lethal weapons, for example.

Again, what is your evidence?

What Is the Logical Fallacy Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc?

Post hoc (a shortened form of post hoc, ergo propter hoc) is a logical fallacy in which one event is said to be the cause of a later event simply because it occurred earlier. "Although two events might be consecutive," says Madsen Pirie in "How to Win Every Argument," "we cannot simply assume that the one would not have occurred without the other."


Why Post Hoc Is a Fallacy
Post hoc is a fallacy because correlation does not equal causation. You cannot blame your friends for a rain delay just because every time they go with you to a ballgame it storms and play is delayed. Likewise, the fact that a pitcher bought new socks before he pitched a winning game does not mean that new socks cause a pitcher to throw faster.

The Latin expression post hoc, ergo propter hoc can be translated literally as "after this, therefore because of this." The concept can also be called faulty causation, the fallacy of false cause, arguing from succession alone or assumed causation.
 

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What about guns in the hands of criminals? Shouldn't that be the top priority? Also the detailed daily and hourly reporting of mass shootings is actually working in reverse, and giving crazy kids and criminals ideas for their next "adventure". There have been many "copy cat" murders in the past. Therefore a single paragraph on any incident should suffice, or one line on a TV broadcast chyron. The general public can do nothing about a crime that has been committed. But the media love the sensationalism and ratings.

Yes, should criminals be the only ones who have guns? Let's just walk around with targets on our backs.
 

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If they want to be a public spectacle, then we should bring back public hangings.
They hear that, so and so got shot, but they don't see it. It's not real to them.
These people don't live in reality. They are mostly on drugs, and all rationality has left the building.
The media doesn't like to post the results of the consquences on tv or social media,
because maybe they believe this will deter others from doing the same things.
And they don't want that. They need the ratings.
If the shootings stop, then CNN and MSNBC will go out of business.
All these mass shootings are being encouraged because the powers that be won't be happy until the civilian population is unarmed.
And that's not going to happen. So the shootings will continue.
Until people start shooting back.

It's called JUSTICE.
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Just like they don't mention the guy who got shot with 60 some odd bullets, shot at the police first, and it's caught on video.
Crickets..
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What about guns in the hands of criminals? Shouldn't that be the top priority? Also the detailed daily and hourly reporting of mass shootings is actually working in reverse, and giving crazy kids and criminals ideas for their next "adventure". There have been many "copy cat" murders in the past. Therefore a single paragraph on any incident should suffice, or one line on a TV broadcast chyron. The general public can do nothing about a crime that has been committed. But the media love the sensationalism and ratings.

Politian's arrive that don't believe in "Stop and frisk." then we get a deeper misunderstanding of the result of no bail, followed by blindly letting that simmer for a while before someone arrives after much blood letting and says "Has anyone thought of stop and frisk?"
 

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No wonder Biden is for gun control! He ordered the flags at half staff to honor the passing of China's Prime Minister.