AndtheMoonIntoBlood

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Trekson (AND Hitch).

Vs. 7 & 21 are both current reality

WHOA, Nelly! Let's back up here!

Verse 21 is NOT current reality!!! The problem is that we MISUSE the words "saved" and "salvation," today! How they are used and interpreted in the OT is correct; how Paul used the verses in Romans 10 is correct, but HOW WE'VE INTERPRETED WHAT PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WRONG!!! Paul is NOT talking about personal Justification by God in Romans 10:13! He's talking about the national RESCUE of Isra'el! Paul is talking about HIS PEOPLE, HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN, HIS FAMILY in Romans 9:1 through 11:36!!! It's not right to twist the Scriptures like that!

All my life, I've heard Romans 10:13 as part of the "Romans Road to Salvation." (I'm a PK to an Independent, Fundamentalist, Fellowship Baptist preacher, after all.) I've had to struggle with this when I was trying to get a handle on a correct interpretation of Scripture. I don't take people to Romans 10:13 anymore when dealing with them about justification. I take them to 2 Corinthians 5:21, instead. That's a far more accurate way to show them what Yeshua` did for them.

Romans 10:13 is quoted from Yo'el's prophecy in Joel 2:32:

Joel 2:15-3:2
15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
3 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
KJV

These verses are talking about LITERAL, NATIONAL DELIVERANCE of Y'hudah, Yerushalayim, the LAND, and God's PEOPLE, His HERITAGE ISRA'EL! Not individual, personal justification by God! HE'S TALKING ABOUT RESCUE!!! And, THAT is what "salvation" means. It is NOT talking about what many call "salvation" today.

 

[whitestone]

Very pleased to meet you Hitch. It is rare to meet a man of God who knows and understands the fulfillment of the Word of God in scripture, to us in Christ. I salute you brother. Very Nice posts, very perfect understanding.

Yes, of course, all prophecies have been and are being fulfilled in Christ as we each are saved. In the meanwhile, the "eschatologist/futurists" still stand around gazing up into heaven, ignoring the council to gather in New Jerusalem and Receive Christ Come in His Holy Spirit.

Blessings in Christ,
Whitestone

 

[Trekson]

Hi Retrobyter, Romans at least as far as I'm concerned for this particular discussion isn't in the picture. We are speaking of Acts 2:17-21. Peter is speaking that it was fulfilled, at least partially, on the day of Pentecost. I'm not gonna call him a liar, you may if you wish.

 

[veteran]

When Peter said, "this is that..." in Acts 2, it only means an 'example' of the Joel 2 prophecy. How is it so many have missed the following subject as written, which is for future tribulation timing?


Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
(KJV)

Christ was directly referring to the 5th Seal Sign in His Olivet Discourse...


Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
(KJV)


That's why the Acts 2 event of the cloven tongue manifesting was an 'ensample' only, and not the actual Joel 2 fulfillment, since the whole Book of Joel is about the very end. In Mark 13:10, the word for "published" also means the act of a town crier, like getting up on a soapbox on the town square like a herald. That is going to take place for the tribulation time in our near future.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Trekson.

Hi Retrobyter, Romans at least as far as I'm concerned for this particular discussion isn't in the picture. We are speaking of Acts 2:17-21. Peter is speaking that it was fulfilled, at least partially, on the day of Pentecost. I'm not gonna call him a liar, you may if you wish.

You misunderstood me. I'm not "calling Peter a liar." Peter (Kefa) DID say that this passage of Scripture was partially fulfilled; HOWEVER, just barely! These are the parts that BEGAN in the first century and will continue - to one degree or another - until the Messiah returns and the rest is fulfilled. 17 and 18, yes, but not verses 19-21.

 

[Trekson]

Retro, I agree about vss. 19 & 20 but I still believe vs. 21 is ongoing. How did you get saved? Didn't you call upon the name of the Lord for forgiveness and to accept His gift of salvation. I know I did. Isn't that what everyone has done since Christ's sacrifice?

I don't think "national Israel" is who Peter had in mind when He was quoting the part of Joel that is vs. 21.

and it really won't be the "nation" of Israel, only the remnant whom God will call. The percentage will be quite small, imo.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Trekson.

To whom was Kefa (Peter) talking?! He wasn't talking to just anybody, y'know!

Acts 2:1-36
2:1 The festival of Shavu‘ot arrived, and the believers all gathered together in one place. 2 Suddenly there came a sound from the sky like the roar of a violent wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then they saw what looked like tongues of fire, which separated and came to rest on each one of them. 4 They were all filled with the Ruach HaKodesh and began to talk in different languages, as the Spirit enabled them to speak.

5 Now there were staying in Yerushalayim religious Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd gathered; they were confused, because each one heard the believers speaking in his own language. 7 Totally amazed, they asked, “How is this possible? Aren’t all these people who are speaking from the Galil? 8 How is it that we hear them speaking in our native languages? 9 We are Parthians, Medes, Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Y’hudah, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome; 11 Jews by birth and proselytes; Jews from Crete and from Arabia. . . ! How is it that we hear them speaking in our own languages about the great things God has done?” 12 Amazed and confused, they all went on asking each other, “What can this mean?” 13 But others made fun of them and said, “They’ve just had too much wine!”

14 Then Kefa stood up with the Eleven and raised his voice to address them: “You Judeans, and all of you staying here in Yerushalayim! Let me tell you what this means! Listen carefully to me!

15 “These people aren’t drunk, as you suppose — it’s only nine in the morning. 16 No, this is what was spoken about through the prophet Yo’el:

17 ‘ADONAI says:
“In the Last Days,
I will pour out from my Spirit upon everyone.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my slaves, both men and women,
will I pour out from my Spirit in those days;
and they will prophesy.
19 I will perform miracles in the sky above
and signs on the earth below — blood, fire and thick smoke.
20 The sun will become dark
and the moon blood
before the great and fearful Day of ADONAI comes.
21 And then, whoever calls on the name of ADONAI will be saved.”’

22 “Men of Isra’el! Listen to this! Yeshua from Natzeret was a man demonstrated to you to have been from God by the powerful works, miracles and signs that God performed through him in your presence. You yourselves know this. 23 This man was arrested in accordance with God’s predetermined plan and foreknowledge; and, through the agency of persons not bound by the Torah, you nailed him up on a stake and killed him!

24 “But God has raised him up and freed him from the suffering of death; it was impossible that death could keep its hold on him. 25 For David says this about him:

‘I saw ADONAI always before me,
for he is at my right hand,
so that I will not be shaken.
26 For this reason, my heart was glad;
and my tongue rejoiced;
and now my body too will live on in the certain hope
27 that you will not abandon me to Sh’ol
or let your Holy One see decay.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
you will fill me with joy by your presence.’

29 “Brothers, I know I can say to you frankly that the patriarch David died and was buried — his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, since he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn an oath to him that one of his descendants would sit on his throne, 31 he was speaking in advance about the resurrection of the Messiah, that it was he who was not abandoned in Sh’ol and whose flesh did not see decay. 32 God raised up this Yeshua! And we are all witnesses of it!

33 “Moreover, he has been exalted to the right hand of God; has received from the Father what he promised, namely, the Ruach HaKodesh; and has poured out this gift, which you are both seeing and hearing. 34 For David did not ascend into heaven. But he says,

35 ‘ADONAI said to my Lord,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’

36 Therefore, let the whole house of Isra’el know beyond doubt that God has made him both Lord and Messiah — this Yeshua, whom you executed on a stake!”
CJB

So, he was talking to the whole house of Isra'el, and in particular Jews from all around the known world, who came to the celebration of the "50th" in the "counting of the `omer," in Hebrew, the "Shavu'ot," or in Greek, the "Penteekostees," (both words mean "fiftieth") the anniversary of the Giving of the Law at Mount Sinai!

(Talk to veteran and Bob about the "percentage" of the nation of Isra'el within the remnant! Isra'el is MORE than just the Jews, after all!)

As far as "calling upon the name of the LORD," the phrase in Hebrew (from Joel 2:32) is...

Joel 3:5(2:32)
5 Vhaayaah kol asher yiqraa' b-sheem YHVH yimaaleeT kiy b-har Tsiyown uwbi-Yruwshaalaim tihyeh pleeyTaah ka'asher aamar YHVH uwvasriydiym asher YHVH qoree':

5 Vhaayaah = 5 And-it-shall-be
kol = all/any/every (plural)
asher = who
yiqraa' = shall-accost/call-out-to/cry-out-to/address
b-sheem = in-name/authority
YHVH = of-YaHuWH
yimaaleeT = shall-escape/be-released/be-rescued
kiy = for
b-har = in-Mountain
Tsiyown = of-Zion
uwbi-Yruwshaalaim = and-in-Jerusalem
tihyeh = shall-exist
pleeyTaah = deliverance/an-escaped-portion
ka'asher = as/like-who
aamar = has-said
YHVH = YaHuWH
uwvasriydiym = and-in-the-survivors
asher = whom
YHVH = YaHuWH
qoree': = shall-accost/call-out-to/cry-out-to/address:

5 And-it-shall-be all/any/every (plural) who shall-accost/call-out-to/cry-out-to/address in-name/authority of-YaHuWH shall-escape/be-released/be-rescued for in-Mountain of-Zion and-in-Jerusalem shall-exist deliverance/an-escaped-portion as/like-who has-said YaHuWH and-in-the-survivors whom YaHuWH shall-accost/call-out-to/cry-out-to/address:

Does that sound like "personal salvation" to you?! It's not talking about "forgiveness" or the "gift of salvation"; it's talking about crying out to YaHuWH for His RESCUE, and it specifically says that "in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall an escaped portion exist, like YaHuWH has said, and in the survivors to whom YaHuWH shall call out!" This is talking about an event that will happen AFTER Yeshua` has returned and has gone to work rescuing the house of Isra'el from invaders!

Read more of the prophecies of the Tanakh (the OT), particularly those of Yesha`yahu (Isaiah), Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah), Yechezk'el (Ezekiel), Yo'el (Joel), and Z'kharyahu (Zachariah), in a version that makes them easy to read. (I like the Complete Jewish Bible - the CJB - for the Tanakh.) Try to read each prophecy in a single sitting, if possible, and just sit back and ENJOY them as you would a good book! Let the authors speak to YOU; do NOT attempt to read into them what you've always heard or what you think they should say. Read them for understanding! And, if you don't understand something, READ IT AGAIN! If it's still not clear to you, READ IT AGAIN!

Goyim (Gentiles; non-Isra'elis) can be included in the "remnant," however, that is not the word's primary intent! It's primary intent is the LEFT-OVERS of Isra'el!

 

[Trekson]

Hi Retro, I guess it depends on how one is reading it within the context. As Peter was speaking, he was giving a "salvation" message, not a "national deliverance" message. When you get down to it even in the latter days when they "call upon the name of the Lord", it will be to receive salvation and then physical rescue. There will be no "rescue" for the unsaved. Here are some other verses that speak of "personal salvation" yet uses similar phraseology.

Rom. 7:6 - "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

2 Co. 1:10 - "[sup] [/sup]Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us..."

Col. 1:13 - "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son..."

2 Tim. 3:11 - "Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me."

2 Pet. 1:4 - "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

All these scriptures have the same meaning, ie., escape/rescue (Str. Gr. 4506) but they're speaking of a spiritual deliverance not a national one. In all of Paul's letters he is speaking to both Jew and Gentile. So, I still stand behind my original statement that Acts 2:21 is still occurring. I'm not denying there will be a "latter days" time of physical deliverance as prophesied in Rev. 12:8, 14-16, which, imo are the 144,000 and those from Zech. 12:10. No gentiles in sight as far as these verses are concerned.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shabbat shalom, Trekson.

Hi Retro, I guess it depends on how one is reading it within the context. As Peter was speaking, he was giving a "salvation" message, not a "national deliverance" message. When you get down to it even in the latter days when they "call upon the name of the Lord", it will be to receive salvation and then physical rescue. There will be no "rescue" for the unsaved. Here are some other verses that speak of "personal salvation" yet uses similar phraseology.

Rom. 7:6 - "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

2 Co. 1:10 - "[sup] [/sup]Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us..."

Col. 1:13 - "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son..."

2 Tim. 3:11 - "Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me."

2 Pet. 1:4 - "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

All these scriptures have the same meaning, ie., escape/rescue (Str. Gr. 4506) but they're speaking of a spiritual deliverance not a national one. In all of Paul's letters he is speaking to both Jew and Gentile. So, I still stand behind my original statement that Acts 2:21 is still occurring. I'm not denying there will be a "latter days" time of physical deliverance as prophesied in Rev. 12:8, 14-16, which, imo are the 144,000 and those from Zech. 12:10. No gentiles in sight as far as these verses are concerned.

Was he? OR, was he saying, "Y'all slipped up!" He didn't tell them how to do anything about it until they asked AFTER he was finished!

 

[Trekson]

Hi Retro, I guess the easiest way to sum it up is to acknowledge that some prophecies can have both a spiritual and physical aspect to them. The spiritual aspect of Christ's fulfillment of the prophecies is what Israel of His day didn't understand. They were looking for a "physical" redeemer. I believe the spiritual aspect of Acts 2:21 is still ongoing, yet realize there will be a "national/physical" fulfillment as well.

 

[shilohsfoal]

7And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The moon turns blood red just before the servants of God are sealed in thier foreheads in Revelation.
The event is well documented.

Revelation 6;[sup]12 [/sup]I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, [sup]13 [/sup]and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. [sup]14 [/sup]The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.


Below is a video .In it you can watch as the sky turn black like goat hair.The sky departs as a sroll being rolled up.
And you can see the camera shake from the earth quake.This is what John is desribing.This is the sign of the day ofthe Lord.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-22tna7KHzI


After this sign ,there are 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel sealed.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, shilohsfoal.

No, if you're talking about the Day of the Lord as recorded in 2 Peter 3, you're not thinking big enough! This is a drop in a bucket compared to what is described there. This one little atomic bomb merely messes up a few square miles. The FIRE is MUCH bigger than that!

 

[veteran]

The moon turns blood red just before the servants of God are sealed in thier foreheads in Revelation.
The event is well documented.

Revelation 6;[sup]12 [/sup]I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, [sup]13 [/sup]and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. [sup]14 [/sup]The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.


Below is a video .In it you can watch as the sky turn black like goat hair.The sky departs as a sroll being rolled up.
And you can see the camera shake from the earth quake.This is what John is desribing.This is the sign of the day ofthe Lord.




After this sign ,there are 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel sealed.

If this world was to actually end by man's nuclear destruction (it is not going to), then you still have the Biblical timeline backwards.


Rev 7:1-3
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."
(KJV)

The "four winds" blowing on the earth represent God's destruction of this present world order on the "day of the Lord", a la 2 Peter 3:10.

Those four winds are held back until... the servants of God on earth are first sealed with His seal.

So what's God's sealing for His servants for?

Reason for it is further revealed in Ezekiel 8 & 9, in detail.

Revelation 9 also revealed what it is for. It is so as to not be deceived by what comes out of the mouths of the locust army God sends upon the earth for the tribulation time just prior to Christ Jesus' return on that "day of the Lord".

 

[shilohsfoal]

If this world was to actually end by man's nuclear destruction (it is not going to), then you still have the Biblical timeline backwards.


Rev 7:1-3
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."
(KJV)

The "four winds" blowing on the earth represent God's destruction of this present world order on the "day of the Lord", a la 2 Peter 3:10.

Those four winds are held back until... the servants of God on earth are first sealed with His seal.

So what's God's sealing for His servants for?

Reason for it is further revealed in Ezekiel 8 & 9, in detail.

Revelation 9 also revealed what it is for. It is so as to not be deceived by what comes out of the mouths of the locust army God sends upon the earth for the tribulation time just prior to Christ Jesus' return on that "day of the Lord".

I didnt get anything backward unles the scripture is backward.
And you probably think it is.

You claim man will not have a war when war is all that is mentioned at the time of the end,
And you would argue with Daniel if he were here.You argue against everything the propohets write.That all you know how to do.

Heres the war called armeggedon deaf man .Try to hear it.

Daniel 11[sup]44 [/sup]But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.
Revelation 16;[sup]16 [/sup]Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
Mathew 24;
[sup]29 [/sup]“Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[sup][b][/sup]


[sup]You dont even know what the stars falling unto the earth is even talking about.[/sup]
[sup]What kin\d of veteran are you?[/sup]

Shalom, shilohsfoal.

No, if you're talking about the Day of the Lord as recorded in 2 Peter 3, you're not thinking big enough! This is a drop in a bucket compared to what is described there. This one little atomic bomb merely messes up a few square miles. The FIRE is MUCH bigger than that!

No im not talking about one.
One is all I could find a video of.
Now if I could find a video with so many missiles that it wuld appear that the stars were falling unto the earth then I would have postedit.

But todays nuclear warhead is 100 times stronger than that of Nagasaki.

 

[veteran]

I didnt get anything backward unles the scripture is backward.
And you probably think it is.

You claim man will not have a war when war is all that is mentioned at the time of the end,
And you would argue with Daniel if he were here.You argue against everything the propohets write.That all you know how to do.

Heres the war called armeggedon deaf man .Try to hear it.

Daniel 11[sup]44 [/sup]But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.
Revelation 16;[sup]16 [/sup]Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
Mathew 24;
[sup]29 [/sup]“Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[sup][b][/sup]


[sup]You dont even know what the stars falling unto the earth is even talking about.[/sup]
[sup]What kin\d of veteran are you?[/sup]



No im not talking about one.
One is all I could find a video of.
Now if I could find a video with so many missiles that it wuld appear that the stars were falling unto the earth then I would have postedit.

But todays nuclear warhead is 100 times stronger than that of Nagasaki.

You're losing it man.

Paul declared in 1 Thess.5 that when the deceived say, "Peace and safety"... then shall the "sudden destruction" come upon them. That is about the battle of Armageddon, a battle that our Lord Jesus and His angels fight WHEN He returns. His servants on earth do not fight it, nor does man with nuclear weapons. Men's weapons are not equal to God's consuming fire, for God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12).

See Zephaniah 3 and Ezekiel 39 paralleled with Christ's coming in Rev.19 and the great supper for the fowls.

 

[shilohsfoal]

You're losing it man.

Paul declared in 1 Thess.5 that when the deceived say, "Peace and safety"... then shall the "sudden destruction" come upon them. That is about the battle of Armageddon, a battle that our Lord Jesus and His angels fight WHEN He returns. His servants on earth do not fight it, nor does man with nuclear weapons. Men's weapons are not equal to God's consuming fire, for God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12).

See Zephaniah 3 and Ezekiel 39 paralleled with Christ's coming in Rev.19 and the great supper for the fowls.

You no nothing about armegeddon.
It is a war between the false prophet ,the beast and thekings of the earth,
You know nothing veteran.you are the blindest know it all Ive ever seen.

It is a war between the USA and Israel against all the muslims countrys.
You know nothing.


Daniel 11[sup]44 [/sup]But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.


You have no idea what this man is doing here.The nuclear umbrella.

 

[veteran]

You no nothing about armegeddon.
It is a war between the false prophet ,the beast and thekings of the earth,
You know nothing veteran.you are the blindest know it all Ive ever seen.

It is a war between the USA and Israel against all the muslims countrys.
You know nothing.


Daniel 11[sup]44 [/sup]But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.


You have no idea what this man is doing here.The nuclear umbrella.

You have... lost it.

 

[shilohsfoal]

You have... lost it.

Like I said.You have no idea what that man is doing.
None whatso ever.Scripture says when this man annihilates many is when the resurection takes place.
But by studying scripture I know what reports reach his ears that sends him into such a great rage.

Daniel 11[sup]44 [/sup]But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

 

[Trekson]

Shilohsfoal, You words: "It is a war between the USA and Israel against all the muslims countrys.
You know nothing."

This might be descriptive of WW3, which will allow the a/c to step in as a peacemaker, however Armageddon is described in scripture and it is not as you say.

 

[tgwprophet]

shilohsfoal wrote: " No im not talking about one. One is all I could find a video of.
Now if I could find a video with so many missiles that it wuld appear that the stars were falling unto the earth then I would have postedit. "

Get a video of the 100 hour war.