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Angel's unaware

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by JellyJam, May 15, 2019.

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  1. JellyJam

    JellyJam Active Member

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    Christian's, go read the end of each of the four gospels and return here and answer the poll.

    Thanks.
     
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    ha, easy one!
     
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    you know what "entertaining angels unaware" really means right, like prolly entertaining a thought or whatever?
    @amadeus, can you recall any Scripture that's contradicting?
     
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    Incorrect my friend:

    1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
    2And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
    3And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
    4And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
     
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    ...makes "0" incorrect? hmm, pls go on

    unless you've put me on ignore at this point lol, prolly what I would do
     
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    I don't know, what's going on?
     
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    I was pretty sure entertaining angels unaware would be like, if a homeless person, or anybody in need asks for help in some way, and if you do not help, then it could have been an angel and, I kinda think God likes His angels :)
     
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    There is an inconsistency in the number reported inside the tomb, for the gospels that mention Mary Magdalene entering it.

    Jesus told the apostles that the Holy Spirit would remind them of everything he said. They saw Mary Magdalene, whom could have left things out of her account at the moment they were told. They may also have been told separately.

    Two angels with Jesus is consistent with the imagery of the cherubim on the Arc of the covenant. Also people who have seen Jesus with angels report there being two.
     
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    I would guess that the answer, in part at least, lies in the understanding of who or what is an angel.

    There are many messengers, but are they all sent by God...? Of those sent by God, are not some sent with a left handed message rather than a right handed one? Are the messengers sent all of heavenly type [not presently and perhaps never human?] or were not many [but not all] of them quite as human as we are?

    We may think of the angel Gabriel as a "heavenly" type:


    "And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
    And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision." Dan 8:15-16


    "And the angel answering said unto him, I am GABRIEL, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to show thee these glad tidings." Luke 1:19

    But we see that the same Greek word translated in Luke 1:19 as "angel" is translated as "messenger" referring to John the Baptist in Matthew 11:

    a[ggeloß Aggelos (ang'-el-os);
    Word Origin: Greek, Noun Masculine, Strong #: 32

    1. a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God

    "But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
    For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee" Matt 11:9-10

    So who is a messenger or angel sent by God? Could it our preacher or our pastor or our minister? Could it be you or me to whom God has given a message to deliver to one or to many... or even as @bbyrd009 suggests... to ourselves?

    Who are we "entertaining"? What kind of a job are we doing? Are we "good" entertainers or...?


    "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."Matt 25:33-46

    How many angels are attending us at our tomb...? Do our angels [assuming that we have some] have a right handed purpose rather than a left handed one? Do we see him [the angel] or them simply as disconnected gardeners? [Are we "unaware" of who they really are? Do we care?] Of course we may believe [deluded?] that we are not really dead at all? Are we correct?
     
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    Well i read "two men" there? Plus answers i'm not so good anyway, i ask Amadeus stuff if i want answers lol. I'm only much good for questions seems like
     
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    The amazing name Mary: meaning and etymology
    Three women under the cross
    on down, might be something in "two sisters" too though, some background maybe

    but you would have to accept the premise that they are conflicting on purpose, to hide wisdom i guess
     
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    ah, ty. When I hear angels now i really hear spirits, de-personified iow, so, not really what most believers believe right now i guess
     
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    There were multiple visits at the tomb by different groups of people and at different times and in some cases none, one or two angels.
     
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    I could throw another spanner into the spokes of this cycle, by asking how many angels did Jesus meet with in among the tombs of Gennaseret? One? Two? 2001? 2002?
     
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    You are such a dag.
     
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    Maybe this is supposed to be an insult or a complement? I have never heard the expression before...
     
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    kinda harsh, bro, yikes. surprised at you really. Why do you say this?
     
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    NonChristian General Forum addressing Christians specific?

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    JJ is Australian. I believe he was saying you are a hard piece of excrement caked wool on the hindquarters of a sheep. Which would be unacceptable behavior. But he can answer for himself. Maybe "dag" has more than one meaning.
     
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    Thanks for the info. I know I've been called worse by people who claimed to be Christian.
     
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