The Casting Out At The END

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Davy

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The Church tradition on interpretation of Revelation 12 is mostly from men's doctrines simply because they do not really understand Rev.12. Or, it can mean one is maybe going to a church that doesn't want... you to understand it, and how it applies for the END of this world, a church ran by one of the crept in unawares of Jude 4.

Rev.12:6 -- the symbolic "woman" is protected in the "wilderness" for "one thousand two hundred and threescore days." That represents the 1st half of the final Daniel 9:27 "one week", which is a period of 7 years. That symbolic period of a seven, which the KJV calls "one week", is for the very END of this world, not back at Christ's 1st coming which the "synagogue of Satan" wrongly teaches.

Rev.12:7-9 -- war in Heaven takes place between Archangel Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels. Satan and his angels lose and are kicked out of the heavenly, down to this earth. This is not about the time of Satan's original rebellion in that time of old. This is for the very END of this world. And we are to 'mark' the previous Rev.12:6 verse about the 1st half of the Dan.9:27 "one week", a period of 1260 days.

The parallel Scripture to this event of the war in Heaven for the END is given in Daniel 12...

Dan 12:1
12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
KJV


There's 3 main events in the above Dan.12:1 verse which places that at the very END of this world:
1. "And at that time shall Michael stand up" -- link to Rev.12:7 with the war in Heaven.

2. "... and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time..." -- link to Matthew 24:21 verse pointing to the time of the "great tribulation" that Jesus revealed will happen at the END of this world.

3. "... and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" -- that is about the day of Christ's future return to gather His saints.

Per Matthew 24:15-28, the actual time of "great tribulation" Jesus showed will begin when the "abomination of desolation" IDOL is placed in a new stone temple in Jerusalem for the END of this world. That is the event which Jesus showed will set off the time of trouble, what He called a time of "great tribulation".

In the Matthew 24:23-26 verses, the subject is actually about a 'singular' pseudo-Christ that others will say is Christ. And Jesus said don't believe it. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos in the 24th verse as "a spurious Messiah", meaning a singular false-Messiah (See OT:5580). This links to Satan being kicked out of the heavenly down to this earth in our... dimension for the END, to play that false-Messiah, for that is the very sin which he first rebelled with against God in the beginning in the old world. That is what the coming "great tribulation" will be about, believe it, or not.

Rev.12:10-12 -- the future time at the END of this world, after the 1st half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" of Rev.12:6, Satan and his angels are cast down to this earth to begin the time of "great tribulation". When this casting out at the END happens, then in Heaven will be said that Salvation will have come, specifically 'in Heaven', because Satan is no longer allowed there in Heaven to accuse us before God's Throne. And then mention of those who overcome Satan by The Blood of The Lamb is to show these events are NOT about Satan's original time of his fall, for Lord Jesus had not even been born in the flesh to die on the cross yet when Satan first rebelled and fell.

In Job 1 & 2, we are shown Satan and his angels appearing before God's Throne in the Heavenly dimension. That reveals that even after Satan's rebellion and fall in that old world, he was still allowed in Heaven to appear before God's Throne. After the Rev.12:7-9 event of the war in Heaven, Satan will then no longer be allowed in Heaven. He is coming literally into our earthly dimension, and that is what the Rev.12:12 verse is specifically about.

Satan is a heavenly created being, not flesh. He is a cherub which God created to guard His Throne (Ezekiel 28). And Satan has the image of man, as all the angels do. So don't allow Satan's children to toy with you mind about all this, for it is very simple what Lord Jesus revealed with this Revelation 12 chapter which starting at verse 6 is specifically about the very END of this world.

Rev.12:13-17 -- the actual time of "great tribulation" when Satan will be here on earth, in plain sight working miracles to make the whole world believe he is God, and will specifically go after the symbolic "woman" of the chapter, which represents Christ's elect saints that keep His commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ, i.e., The Gospel.

Notice at Rev.12:14 is the 2nd half of the Dan.9:27 symbolic "one week" (7 years). That represents the actual time of "great tribulation", the 42 months of Rev.13:4-8 that Satan will be given power over all nations and peoples, the 42 months the Gentiles will be given to tread the "holy city" Jerusalem within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing, the same as the latter 1260 days of the "one week" when God's "two witnesses" will prophesy against the beast for 1260 days in Jerusalem, and then killed by the 'beast' that will ascend out of the bottomless pit (i.e., Satan).
 

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Another matter important to understand per God's Word about Satan's casting out of Rev.12 for the END of this world is this. Just how... will Satan manifest here on earth once he and his angels are kicked out of heaven, and there is no more place in heaven found for them? Consider that Rev.12:7-8 again very carefully...

Rev 12:7-8
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven.
KJV

If "their place" after that war will no more be found in heaven, then WHERE does that mean Satan and his angels MUST go?

There's only 2 different dimensions of existence taught of in God's Word, this earthly one we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels dwell. If you believe God is real, then it means you have to also believe that 'other' dimension of the heavenly really does exist, even though we in the flesh cannot see it. (unless God allows it, like He did with His prophets of old like Isaiah, and with Apostle Paul in 2 Cor.12.)

Furthermore, there is NO Bible Scripture that proves angels which have appeared on earth in our 'earthly' dimension had to put on a flesh body just to show up here.

Some men that think otherwise simply show they do not really believe that other dimension of the heavenly can manifest here upon this earth, when Genesis 2 reveals God's Garden of Eden at one time existed upon this earth, and that He has promised to return and live upon this earth with us per the end of the Book of Revelation.

When Satan and his angels get here, for the coming time of "great tribulation", they will not need to be born in the flesh, nor put on the flesh, in order to appear here on earth in our earthly dimension. Just as the two angels appeared to Lot in Genesis 19 with the image of men, Satan and his angels will also be able to appear here on earth with the image of man. It is nowhere written in God's Word that any angel had to be born in the flesh just to appear to flesh man.

Understanding that then, can angels walk upon this earth, eat our flood, sleep in a bed like we do? Yes! Even in Hebrews 13:2 we are told to be mindful to be hospitable to strangers, because some have entertained angels and didn't know it. That spirit body image the angels have looks just like us. The main difference is that it is a body type of 'spirit', not a ghost either, but simply a body of that other dimension. Per 1 Corinthians 15 by Apostle Paul, he showed we are eventually going to have that type of body too at the resurrection or on the "last trump", our being changed to the "spiritual body". So don't get too comfortable in the flesh, because it is only temporary, and just a body type for this present world time.
 

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The Church tradition on interpretation of Revelation 12 is mostly from men's doctrines simply because they do not really understand Rev.12. Or, it can mean one is maybe going to a church that doesn't want... you to understand it, and how it applies for the END of this world, a church ran by one of the crept in unawares of Jude 4.

Rev.12:6 -- the symbolic "woman" is protected in the "wilderness" for "one thousand two hundred and threescore days." That represents the 1st half of the final Daniel 9:27 "one week", which is a period of 7 years. That symbolic period of a seven, which the KJV calls "one week", is for the very END of this world, not back at Christ's 1st coming which the "synagogue of Satan" wrongly teaches.

Rev.12:7-9 -- war in Heaven takes place between Archangel Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels. Satan and his angels lose and are kicked out of the heavenly, down to this earth. This is not about the time of Satan's original rebellion in that time of old. This is for the very END of this world. And we are to 'mark' the previous Rev.12:6 verse about the 1st half of the Dan.9:27 "one week", a period of 1260 days.

The parallel Scripture to this event of the war in Heaven for the END is given in Daniel 12...

Dan 12:1
12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
KJV


There's 3 main events in the above Dan.12:1 verse which places that at the very END of this world:
1. "And at that time shall Michael stand up" -- link to Rev.12:7 with the war in Heaven.

2. "... and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time..." -- link to Matthew 24:21 verse pointing to the time of the "great tribulation" that Jesus revealed will happen at the END of this world.

3. "... and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" -- that is about the day of Christ's future return to gather His saints.

Per Matthew 24:15-28, the actual time of "great tribulation" Jesus showed will begin when the "abomination of desolation" IDOL is placed in a new stone temple in Jerusalem for the END of this world. That is the event which Jesus showed will set off the time of trouble, what He called a time of "great tribulation".

In the Matthew 24:23-26 verses, the subject is actually about a 'singular' pseudo-Christ that others will say is Christ. And Jesus said don't believe it. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos in the 24th verse as "a spurious Messiah", meaning a singular false-Messiah (See OT:5580). This links to Satan being kicked out of the heavenly down to this earth in our... dimension for the END, to play that false-Messiah, for that is the very sin which he first rebelled with against God in the beginning in the old world. That is what the coming "great tribulation" will be about, believe it, or not.

Rev.12:10-12 -- the future time at the END of this world, after the 1st half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" of Rev.12:6, Satan and his angels are cast down to this earth to begin the time of "great tribulation". When this casting out at the END happens, then in Heaven will be said that Salvation will have come, specifically 'in Heaven', because Satan is no longer allowed there in Heaven to accuse us before God's Throne. And then mention of those who overcome Satan by The Blood of The Lamb is to show these events are NOT about Satan's original time of his fall, for Lord Jesus had not even been born in the flesh to die on the cross yet when Satan first rebelled and fell.

In Job 1 & 2, we are shown Satan and his angels appearing before God's Throne in the Heavenly dimension. That reveals that even after Satan's rebellion and fall in that old world, he was still allowed in Heaven to appear before God's Throne. After the Rev.12:7-9 event of the war in Heaven, Satan will then no longer be allowed in Heaven. He is coming literally into our earthly dimension, and that is what the Rev.12:12 verse is specifically about.

Satan is a heavenly created being, not flesh. He is a cherub which God created to guard His Throne (Ezekiel 28). And Satan has the image of man, as all the angels do. So don't allow Satan's children to toy with you mind about all this, for it is very simple what Lord Jesus revealed with this Revelation 12 chapter which starting at verse 6 is specifically about the very END of this world.

Rev.12:13-17 -- the actual time of "great tribulation" when Satan will be here on earth, in plain sight working miracles to make the whole world believe he is God, and will specifically go after the symbolic "woman" of the chapter, which represents Christ's elect saints that keep His commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ, i.e., The Gospel.

Notice at Rev.12:14 is the 2nd half of the Dan.9:27 symbolic "one week" (7 years). That represents the actual time of "great tribulation", the 42 months of Rev.13:4-8 that Satan will be given power over all nations and peoples, the 42 months the Gentiles will be given to tread the "holy city" Jerusalem within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing, the same as the latter 1260 days of the "one week" when God's "two witnesses" will prophesy against the beast for 1260 days in Jerusalem, and then killed by the 'beast' that will ascend out of the bottomless pit (i.e., Satan).
Well, as I've said a number of times, I don't believe the 70th Week of Daniel 9 is a full Week, and it took place in the earthly ministry of Christ. So there is no basis for two periods of 3.5 years.

Regardless, we both believe there will be a 3.5 year period at the end of the age when Antichrist will rule and persecute the Church, and probably Israel too. As for the interpretation of Dan 12 I can never been sure about this because it's a difficult prophecy for me.

When did Satan get thrown out of heaven? It may have taken place when Christ rose from the dead, taking away Satan's power from accusing the saints. If so, then this reality is juxtaposed with the end times to show God's continuing protection for His people during the 3.5 year of Antichrist's reign.
 

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The false Jews would like for Christians to think that the final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 was completed by Jesus at His 1st coming, when Jesus has nothing to do with the prophecy of that Daniel 9:27 verse.

Dan 9:27
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The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
New Living Translation


Jesus made no treaty for a period of 'seven'.
Jesus never setup a sacrilegious object that causes desecration.

Jesus instead... FOREWARNED about the coming false one (Antichrist) that will place that "abomination of desolation" in JERUSALEM.

Therefore, those who believe that Dan.9:27 verse was about the latter part of Jesus' Ministry have SUCCUMBED TO FALSE BELIEF FROM ORTHODOX JEWS WHO PLANTED THAT LIE among some churches today.